Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Jstpssng]

I’ve never understood the attraction of an attached garage for the very reasons discussed above; I’ll sacrifice a little convenience and walk 50 feet from my garage to my house.

 

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I’ve never understood the attraction of an attached garage for the very reasons discussed above; I’ll sacrifice a little convenience and walk 50 feet from my garage to my house.

tbh I hate the look of an attached garage. Our house has one, but it's my wife's crafts workshop / pantry, and the detached garage (which isn't quite far enough for my tastes either) doesn't have a car in it either, though it does have LFP batteries, lots of shop equipment, about 20 pairs of skis in the rafters, 6 bikes hanging, ...

 

[Jstpssng]

tbh I hate the look of an attached garage. Our house has one, but it's my wife's crafts workshop / pantry, and the detached garage (which isn't quite far enough for my tastes either) doesn't have a car in it either, though it does have LFP batteries, lots of shop equipment, about 20 pairs of skis in the rafters, 6 bikes hanging, ...

Yours sounds like a typical garage!

 

[SylvainG]

I wasn't stating the contrary. I was making a point, though, that LFP are less likely to catch fire than LiIon - and in addition, you can actually put out an LFP that's on fire, while you basically have to "manage" an LiIon fire until it's done. The FD can also put out an ICE car on fire as well, assuming they're there in time...

Considering that an LiIon car is most likely to be charged in the middle of the night, even a low rate of fires as a result of faulty charging is concerning.

Indeed, LFP are much stable than NCA batteries.

I’ve never understood the attraction of an attached garage for the very reasons discussed above; I’ll sacrifice a little convenience and walk 50 feet from my garage to my house.

Not everyone can have a lot that's big enough to have a garage away from the house...

 

[Jstpssng]

Indeed, LFP are much stable than NCA batteries.



Not everyone can have a lot that's big enough to have a garage away from the house...

I guess that I don't understand that, either.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Did you see the 4'X8' on the back of the Maverick on the link I posted. Yes you have to secure anything when the tail gate is down.
I don't do anything any more that requires 4'x8'. If I need plywood I get it cut at Home Depot close to the size I will be using and can handle easily by my self. I don't hang sheetrock. How many times do non-contractors haul a 4'x8' in a year? When I do haul large stuff a 6-8' bed is not large enough and I have to hook up my 10' or 18' trailer. All pallets of rock or cement go on the trailer also.

If the absence of a pickup bed doesn't bother you, go for it. I don't see the point. I live in the country, and haul lots of stuff, like 10' sections of pipe and conduit, iron, plus bricks, block, bags of cement that rides a lot better if centered over the frame rather than over the rear axle. Hell will freeze over before I buy a 4-door pickup.

 

[DieselBound]

LFP is more stable, except for the impact to the environment:

Lithium could help us ditch fossil fuels. But mining is messy.​

But the forecasted amount of lithium needed exceeds the world’s currently known reserves by 280 per cent. And even if we discovered sufficient reserves, there are a lot of problems with mining for lithium—as with the reserves that we already know of.

Elon Musk is sociopathic:
Did Elon Musk Tweet ‘We Will Coup Whoever We Want, Deal With It’?

 

[Larry Caldwell]

"from 2012 to 2020 there was about one Tesla vehicle fire per 205 million miles traveled—versus one per 19 million miles traveled for all types"

Fires are less frequent in Teslas and other EVs vs. gas vehicles

Electric vehicle fires are less frequent—although a number of factors can lead to a different (false) impression.

www.greencarreports.com

I know two persons who's ICE car burnt, my dad in his carport and a coworker while parked at work.

My 1974 Chev pickup with the 6-cylinder 250 caught on fire twice, both times a carburetor fire that I was able to put out. It turns out gasoline is flammable. Who knew? I also pulled the fire alarm on a parking structure fire at work. It was interesting to watch the FD put that one out. They didn't touch the burning car, but pulled adjacent cars to safety before they caught. The driver was nowhere in sight, so she pulled in, parked, and walked off before the smoke started boiling out of the engine well.

It's why the IBC requires a firewall assembly between the attached garage and living area of a house. Cars catch on fire all the time.

 

[DieselBound]

If the absence of a pickup bed doesn't bother you, go for it. I don't see the point. I live in the country, and haul lots of stuff, like 10' sections of pipe and conduit, iron, plus bricks, block, bags of cement that rides a lot better if centered over the frame rather than over the rear axle. Hell will freeze over before I buy a 4-door pickup.

Larry, there ARE four-door full-sized pickups! (overwhelming number of 1 ton ones have 8' beds) But, I agree, what's the point of a truck unless it has an actual/usable bed.

I was thinking of a four-door in order to facilitate my dog: I, my wife and out 90+lb dog in a day cab truck is a bit crowded. Decided to bag the idea and just continue to use my truck only as a farm truck: the cost of a replacement wasn't justifiable cost-wise.

 

[ruffdog]

If the absence of a pickup bed doesn't bother you, go for it. I don't see the point. I live in the country, and haul lots of stuff, like 10' sections of pipe and conduit, iron, plus bricks, block, bags of cement that rides a lot better if centered over the frame rather than over the rear axle. Hell will freeze over before I buy a 4-door pickup.

I had a 2008 Ford Ranger reg cab that had the optional 7 foot box and now my full size reg cab has a 8ft box.

 

[3930dave]

LFP is more stable, except for the impact to the environment:

Lithium could help us ditch fossil fuels. But mining is messy.​

Elon Musk is sociopathic:
Did Elon Musk Tweet ‘We Will Coup Whoever We Want, Deal With It’?

Tech CEO, or Arrogant Sociopath ?

Spend enough time around The Valley, and you'll lose the ability to make the distinction.....

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

It's an entirely different mindset with an entirely different class of employee. GM and their employees want to build cars. Tesla and their employees want to change the world.

In this respect, Elon is still running a major corporation like a Tech Startup.

I say that, not to diminish the scale and depth of the technical pivot you alluded to (it's definitely not trivial), but to me it's the primary key to Tesla's performance as a disrupter and innovator.

There's a player position in American football (can't remember the name) were typically the top players are not only really big, but also extremely agile.

That ^ specific combination, whether you play football or are a major corporation, is hard to attain, but IMO, is orders of magnitude more difficult to sustain over time.....

Rgds, D.

 

[Jstpssng]

My 1974 Chev pickup with the 6-cylinder 250 caught on fire twice, both times a carburetor fire that I was able to put out. It turns out gasoline is flammable. Who knew? I also pulled the fire alarm on a parking structure fire at work. It was interesting to watch the FD put that one out. They didn't touch the burning car, but pulled adjacent cars to safety before they caught. The driver was nowhere in sight, so she pulled in, parked, and walked off before the smoke started boiling out of the engine well.

It's why the IBC requires a firewall assembly between the attached garage and living area of a house. Cars catch on fire all the time.

I pulled into the local grocery store and noticed a Blazer in the parking lot with the engine running, and fuel gushing from a leaky gas line. Went into the store, notified the manager... and left. I had no intention of being around if that caught fire.

I'll stand behind my previous comment; I'll keep my vehicles and living space separate. (Both trucks are parked away from my house, even without a garage.)

 

[SylvainG]

Larry, there ARE four-door full-sized pickups! (overwhelming number of 1 ton ones have 8' beds) But, I agree, what's the point of a truck unless it has an actual/usable bed.

I was thinking of a four-door in order to facilitate my dog: I, my wife and out 90+lb dog in a day cab truck is a bit crowded. Decided to bag the idea and just continue to use my truck only as a farm truck: the cost of a replacement wasn't justifiable cost-wise.

When building the cottage, I carried so much in my 2002 Honda Odyssey. With the third row folded down and the middle row seats removed, you can carry full plywood sheets and drywall. I carried a 10 feet ladder and closed the trunk. Carried a 12 feet gutter and closed the trunk AND all windows. I carried two 10 feet kayak and closed the trunk. I carried a five seats paddle boat and closed the trunk. That thing had so much cargo space. Too bad a tree smashed it in 2016 because it was still running strong.

 

[sd455dan]

LFP is more stable, except for the impact to the environment:

Lithium could help us ditch fossil fuels. But mining is messy.​

Elon Musk is sociopathic:
Did Elon Musk Tweet ‘We Will Coup Whoever We Want, Deal With It’?

Maybe a Bit.
but,
This may explain a bit of what drives him
quoting some of Carl Sagan's speech

“I think fundamentally the future is vastly more exciting and interesting if we're a spacefaring civilization and a multiplanet species than if we're or not. ... You want to wake up in the morning and think the future is going to be great. And that's what being a spacefaring civilization is all about.”

 

[Larry Caldwell]

LFP is more stable, except for the impact to the environment:

Lithium could help us ditch fossil fuels. But mining is messy.​

Elon Musk is sociopathic:
Did Elon Musk Tweet ‘We Will Coup Whoever We Want, Deal With It’?

Lithium extraction from geothermal brine appears to be promising. It would kill two birds with one stone, generate carbon-neutral electricity and provide lithium. I don't know how many sites are appropriate. I know there are geothermal sites in the Rhine Valley and in SoCal that are in development. A cash crop from geothermal could really push the technology to the forefront. The brine, of course, goes back down the hole.

The new recycling techniques also recover the lithium instead of flushing it.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

When building the cottage, I carried so much in my 2002 Honda Odyssey. With the third row folded down and the middle row seats removed, you can carry full plywood sheets and drywall. I carried a 10 feet ladder and closed the trunk. Carried a 12 feet gutter and closed the trunk AND all windows. I carried two 10 feet kayak and closed the trunk. I carried a five seats paddle boat and closed the trunk. That thing had so much cargo space. Too bad a tree smashed it in 2016 because it was still running strong.

My wife drives a 2005 Odyssey. The door post says it's rated for 2800+ lbs. cargo and passengers. She loves it. She's heading for the coast in the morning with a week's oak firewood in the back. I suspect the battery pack will reduce the payload substantially in the next generation of EV minivans.

 

[Agvg]

Everytime I drive a EV it strikes me how fantastic nice a electric motor drives a car, so all the talk of people only wants gas/diesel engines because it's feels so much better is beyond my understanding. So it's to bad batteries still let's this perfect power train down

 

[Jstpssng]

Everytime I drive a EV it strikes me how fantastic nice a electric motor drives a car, so all the talk of people only wants gas/diesel engines because it's feels so much better is beyond my understanding. So it's to bad batteries still let's this perfect power train down

That’s why some of us are ready to jump on the “hybrid” bandwagon... now that others have tested the technology and brought prices down. I’ve long said that battery development for autos will carry over into other fields such as off grid homes; and it has.
I’m still not ready for a 50 HP electric outboard, although I’m sure somebody will post one in response.

 

[Agvg]

It on its way in boats, so far it's mostly very small outboards and ferryes and some passenger boats.

This is a interesting boat that is in operation

Future of the Fjords Sightseeing Vessel

The Future of the Fjords is a new all-electric sight-seeing vessel built by Brødrene Aa for Norwegian marine transportation company…

www.ship-technology.com