buying old or new question

[MIbowhunter]

hello,

New to the forum. have a question for those much more educated then me with tractors. Im thinking of selling my 2016 NH Workmaster 37 which is like new with 183hrs and buy a 2003 NH TC35 or maybe a 2006 Case D40 both have about 1200-1300hrs. Im i crazy to think this?? my one reason is I HATE regen!! and dpf issues. Im familiar with diesel trucks (yes.. not the same) but the Workmaster 37 i believe is a poor design and I foresee problems in the future. any thoughts would be great thank you

 

[MapleLeafFarmer]

personal preference, trust in seller, knowledge of tractor being sold, ability to check service history, etc... all come into play.

That being said I have seen way to many guys get ripped off buying something used that looks good, seller says runs perfect, etc..... but when it gets home it turns into a turd. Too many liars (down right scammers in some cases) out there these days.

Me, I will buy new, look after it well, and keep it as long as I can. Better the devil I know than the devil I don't.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

personal preference, trust in seller, knowledge of tractor being sold, ability to check service history, etc... all come into play.

That being said I have seen way to many guys get ripped off buying something used that looks good, seller says runs perfect, etc..... but when it gets home it turns into a turd. Too many liars (down right scammers in some cases) out there these days.

Me, I will buy new, look after it well, and keep it as long as I can. Better the devil I know than the devil I don't.

I've bought many an old tractor. Never surprised with any of them.

 

[WM75Guy]

I don't think it is an unreasonable idea. I have stayed away from anything that regens. I bought the 2019 WM75 as it does not have DPF, so no regens. The TC series are great tractors. I bought our TC40DA with 300 hours in 2008 for $17,500, could probably sell it for that today. Have done some minor repairs, along with the recommended maintenance. Added SSQA to the FEL.

 

[Williy]

Do you have a Yanmar dealer near by? IMHO it
would be worth you while to test thest tractors out!

WARRANTY: 10-year Limited Powertrain Warranty - YANMAR America Corporation

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It seems the dealers have more tractors available now/

willy

 

[MIbowhunter]

Do you have a Yanmar dealer near by? IMHO it
would be worth you while to test thest tractors out!

WARRANTY: 10-year Limited Powertrain Warranty - YANMAR America Corporation

REBATES: Exclusive Offers | YANMAR Tractor

It seems the dealers have more tractors available now/

willy

i do. in fact the dealer i bought the workmaster from stopped carrying NH and Mahindra and started with Yanmar. does the warranty cover emission equipment.. didnt really say in “10yr warranty”.

 

[Citydude]

hello,

New to the forum. have a question for those much more educated then me with tractors. Im thinking of selling my 2016 NH Workmaster 37 which is like new with 183hrs and buy a 2003 NH TC35 or maybe a 2006 Case D40 both have about 1200-1300hrs. Im i crazy to think this?? my one reason is I HATE regen!! and dpf issues. Im familiar with diesel trucks (yes.. not the same) but the Workmaster 37 i believe is a poor design and I foresee problems in the future. any thoughts would be great thank you

If your not comfortable with the 37, then yes, trade it. There is no right or wrong answer to your question. You'll figure it out.

 

[oosik]

I've owned two tractors. Both purchased, brand new, from the same dealer. Ford 1700 4WD - 1982 til 2009. Kubota M6040 4WD - 2009 thru today.

Two reasons for purchasing new - there simply aren't any used tractors, smaller than 150hp, in this neck of the woods. I don't want to purchase a used tractor with somebody else's problems.

Consequently - I've owned a tractor since 1982 and never had to worry about any type of problem. I do all my own maintenance on my tractor. So......I know the exact condition of the tractor.

Tractor ownership is not a "fun thing" or "hobby" for me. Primary use is to maintain my mile long gravel driveway - summer and winter.

 

[m1garand762]

Have you had issues with the engine on your work master. I know a few people who have had them and had all kinds of issues that were all corrected by taking them to a dealer that actually had good techs. Not all but many dealers just hire anyone who can turn a wrench and that isn’t good when it comes to anything with technology

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

hello,

New to the forum. have a question for those much more educated then me with tractors. Im thinking of selling my 2016 NH Workmaster 37 which is like new with 183hrs and buy a 2003 NH TC35 or maybe a 2006 Case D40 both have about 1200-1300hrs. Im i crazy to think this?? my one reason is I HATE regen!! and dpf issues. Im familiar with diesel trucks (yes.. not the same) but the Workmaster 37 i believe is a poor design and I foresee problems in the future. any thoughts would be great thank you

What's the problem with your Workmaster? It regens all the time and you can't get any work done?

 

[Tinhack]

What's the problem with your Workmaster? It regens all the time and you can't get any work done?

It does sound like operator error. Most all those tractors need to be run near full throttle and run using the gears/HST to control speed. The PTO index mark is where it usually needs to run. If what you're doing makes it idle for more than a few minutes, turn it off. Restart when you're ready to go to work.

 

[DK35vince]

It does sound like operator error. Most all those tractors need to be run near full throttle and run using the gears/HST to control speed. The PTO index mark is where it usually needs to run. If what you're doing makes it idle for more than a few minutes, turn it off. Restart when you're ready to go to work.

If that's the case that's exactly why he is looking at pre teir IV tractors.
If was forced to do that every time I use my tractor to keep it working right I would be looking to unload it too.

 

[MIbowhunter]

Have you had issues with the engine on your work master. I know a few people who have had them and had all kinds of issues that were all corrected by taking them to a dealer that actually had good techs. Not all but many dealers just hire anyone who can turn a wrench and that isn’t good when it comes to anything with technology

no issues really.. half the time when it regens it goes into half power. Understanding that whens its cold out (northern MI) it will take longer but usually 40-60 mins. last tine took 3 hrs. Dealership has pretty good techs.

 

[MIbowhunter]

What's the problem with your Workmaster? It regens all the time and you can't get any work done?

regens yes when it needs but i never shut it off when it regens. just takes long time to it. more of an aggravation than anything

 

[MIbowhunter]

It does sound like operator error. Most all those tractors need to be run near full throttle and run using the gears/HST to control speed. The PTO index mark is where it usually needs to run. If what you're doing makes it idle for more than a few minutes, turn it off. Restart when you're ready to go to work.

respectfully… not operator err. i did the procedure you outlined and had it go into limp mode yrs ago. service guy walked me through getting it out and stated never shut it off if it begins to regen.. ???

 

[MIbowhunter]

If that's the case that's exactly why he is looking at pre teir IV tractors.
If was forced to do that every time I use my tractor to keep it working right I would be looking to unload it too.

exactly. Have run/worked on diesel trucks (yes… it is a little different) for many yrs. I do understand the process but as DK35vince stated.. it’s a nuisance to have to keep waiting for it, letting it run for 60mins (last time 3hrs). so i for see possible issues in the future that are $$$$$. so thinking to just go with what i know which would be something like a 2003TC35 (with 338hrs). simple, no ecm, emissions, can fix it myself, find parts etc. Plus.. not knowing any better till now… workmaster 37 is actually an LS. nothing wrong with that but..

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

regens yes when it needs but i never shut it off when it regens. just takes long time to it. more of an aggravation than anything

2016 was about the time everything moved to tier 4 and almost every manufacturer was having issues with emissions. I call that the lost era of compact tractors.

 

[shooterdon]

I can understand if regen is taking up to 3 hours...but is that "normal"?

I have an LS and regen lasts about 25 minutes and it does not affect operation. If I had a regen start soon before I was done working for the day, I would park it and let it run. But I have never had a regen in the winter. I doubt I put more than 20 hours on the tractor in the winter so may have just been lucky and not had it happen yet.

I never run at less than 1600 rpm or idle for very long. The part I find to be a PITA is needing to idle for 2 minutes before shutting it down. That is not a DPF issue but due to the turbo.

Hope I have not jinxed myself, but so far, DPF and regen have not been a big deal but then again, I am too ignorant to know better.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

I can understand if regen is taking up to 3 hours...but is that "normal"?

I have an LS and regen lasts about 25 minutes and it does not affect operation. If I had a regen start soon before I was done working for the day, I would park it and let it run. But I have never had a regen in the winter. I doubt I put more than 20 hours on the tractor in the winter so may have just been lucky and not had it happen yet.

I never run at less than 1600 rpm or idle for very long. The part I find to be a PITA is needing to idle for 2 minutes before shutting it down. That is not a DPF issue but due to the turbo.

Hope I have not jinxed myself, but so far, DPF and regen have not been a big deal but then again, I am too ignorant to know better.

You also have a later model tractor then the OP.

 

[Tinhack]

respectfully… not operator err. i did the procedure you outlined and had it go into limp mode yrs ago. service guy walked me through getting it out and stated never shut it off if it begins to regen.. ???

I didn't say to shut it off if it begins to regen. I said don't let it idle for long periods. That's what causes the exhaust to accumulate more carbon and clog. Which will cause a regen. You're supposed to run them hard and hot when the regen starts--That's what I hear, I don't own one. A tractor is not an automobile to putz around in high gear. If it's not making noise, you're not driving it right.