BX25D rolls some after letting off? No ....to brake on left
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ericher69
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please elaborate! I want to know why you believe I am wrong.
Thanks
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JT, I wonder if the fact it rolls forward a little bit after you let go of the pedal is an over reaction to the problems of the BX2350. I think you owned one in the past and got rid of it. I've owned a BX2350 for several years and it got to the point it wouldn't stop, this was worse when it was cold. I messed with the linkage and greasing the pivot point and no help. I finally dug deeper and started taking a hard look at the dampner in the system. It looks a little bit like the cylinders that hold open a hood or back hatch on a vehicle.
I discovered this was what was hanging up my HST pedal. I could always replace it but was never happy how it stopped. I just disconnected it. It was pretty jerky before and now its much worse but at least it stops when I want it to. I've also learned to be smooth with the pedal and that helps.
With mine it was worse when you didn't have the HST pedal down very far. If you had the pedal to the floor board and let off, it would stop. Is yours this way? Also the problem was much worse in the winter and when the tractor was cold. Does yours get better after the tractor warms up? It can be a bit of a problem, I have a fairly steep hill I often dump stuff off of with the FEL, its a little scary when you aren't sure the tractor will stop or not.
I discovered this was what was hanging up my HST pedal. I could always replace it but was never happy how it stopped. I just disconnected it. It was pretty jerky before and now its much worse but at least it stops when I want it to. I've also learned to be smooth with the pedal and that helps.
With mine it was worse when you didn't have the HST pedal down very far. If you had the pedal to the floor board and let off, it would stop. Is yours this way? Also the problem was much worse in the winter and when the tractor was cold. Does yours get better after the tractor warms up? It can be a bit of a problem, I have a fairly steep hill I often dump stuff off of with the FEL, its a little scary when you aren't sure the tractor will stop or not.
walker450 is right, has nothing to due with operator error.
I've owned my 2350 since 2007 (bought brand new) and have always complained about the abrupt reverse stopping. Should have traded it in as soon as the next series came out since Kubota changed something in the transmission that corrected this but I just procrastinate.
I tried compensating and I can somewhat make it not so bad but it's always there.
Here is my favorite thread about this issue in case you're bored.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...lous-transmission.html?highlight=2350+reverse
Oh, and my neighbors BX2200 and B7800 HST tractors do not have this problem.
ericher69
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walker450 is right, has nothing to due with operator error. I've owned my 2350 since 2007 (bought brand new) and have always complained about the abrupt reverse stopping. Should have traded it in as soon as the next series came out since Kubota changed something in the transmission that corrected this but I just procrastinate. I tried compensating and I can somewhat make it not so bad but it's always there.
Perfect example of buyers remorse.
Should have bought a bigger tractor with 3 range HST and now you are voicing your displeasure.
Have operated several models of Kubota including bx2350 series at the dealership. Did not find it any more abrupt than my b2920 on pavement in hot weather. Operator error!
Instead of just abruptly letting off the HST try lifting the heel slowly or pulling up with your toes. Big difference when done properly
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For what my input is worth... I have both versions. A 2006 BX24 which is the 50 series tractor and a 2013 BX25D (the 70 Series).
The BX25D does indeed roll on when the pedal is released. I found that to be rather disconcerting when I had it at my home where there are many obstacles and some rather steep drop-offs. I find it somewhat clumsy to use the left brake. I moved it to the shop property where there are fewer obstacles. I have become more accustomed to the additional roll and find I just need to anticipate it a bit. I still scramble for the brake occasionally and have come very close to bumping into several things.
The BX24 stops quite quickly. I don't find the quicker stop to be particularly objectionable, even when stopping in reverse. I find the quicker stop to be better for my use in the tighter areas at home. Occasionally it gives me a bit of a jolt, but mostly is just quick and relatively smooth. It could be that it's my particular tractor, or I've just gotten accustomed to the control. The brake on the right is definitely more comfortable for me, as it is the same as all my vehicles and is instinctive.
I should add that in addition to many other projects, I mow with both tractors. I mow aggressively. Full throttle, high range, and in open areas, speed full out. I find both the 54" and the 60" deck (I have one of each) to do an excellent job.
Because of some of the rather vociferous complaints about the abrupt stop in reverse, I did some research a few years ago. There appeared to be no internal changes to the transmission. The only differences I could find that would affect the infamous "sudden stop", were the pedal linkage and the damper. The 50 Series damper only slowed the pedal return in one direction; from forward to neutral. The 70 Series damper, retards in both directions, forward to neutral and reverse to neutral. There were changes to the linkage as well. I suspect this extra damping is what causes the roll on. The tendency to "roll on" is probably greater at cold temperatures as the fluid in the damper is probably more viscous when cold.
There are a few things I prefer on each the older and the newer tractor, but nothing major in either case. I really enjoy both tractors and don't really have a favorite. Any version of the BX is a great, reliable machine with far more capabilities than one would expect.
Enjoy your machine and have a very Happy New Year!
Harry
The BX25D does indeed roll on when the pedal is released. I found that to be rather disconcerting when I had it at my home where there are many obstacles and some rather steep drop-offs. I find it somewhat clumsy to use the left brake. I moved it to the shop property where there are fewer obstacles. I have become more accustomed to the additional roll and find I just need to anticipate it a bit. I still scramble for the brake occasionally and have come very close to bumping into several things.
The BX24 stops quite quickly. I don't find the quicker stop to be particularly objectionable, even when stopping in reverse. I find the quicker stop to be better for my use in the tighter areas at home. Occasionally it gives me a bit of a jolt, but mostly is just quick and relatively smooth. It could be that it's my particular tractor, or I've just gotten accustomed to the control. The brake on the right is definitely more comfortable for me, as it is the same as all my vehicles and is instinctive.
I should add that in addition to many other projects, I mow with both tractors. I mow aggressively. Full throttle, high range, and in open areas, speed full out. I find both the 54" and the 60" deck (I have one of each) to do an excellent job.
Because of some of the rather vociferous complaints about the abrupt stop in reverse, I did some research a few years ago. There appeared to be no internal changes to the transmission. The only differences I could find that would affect the infamous "sudden stop", were the pedal linkage and the damper. The 50 Series damper only slowed the pedal return in one direction; from forward to neutral. The 70 Series damper, retards in both directions, forward to neutral and reverse to neutral. There were changes to the linkage as well. I suspect this extra damping is what causes the roll on. The tendency to "roll on" is probably greater at cold temperatures as the fluid in the damper is probably more viscous when cold.
There are a few things I prefer on each the older and the newer tractor, but nothing major in either case. I really enjoy both tractors and don't really have a favorite. Any version of the BX is a great, reliable machine with far more capabilities than one would expect.
Enjoy your machine and have a very Happy New Year!
Harry
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Never owned/operated a BX, but it is correct that the damper controls how the treadle returns to neutral. It's not anything internal to the transmission. I can confirm what BXpanded noted about some models having damping only in forward, and others in both forward and reverse.
On my previous B2920, I had issues with the damper linkage and the cruise control linkage sticking a little, due to lack of lubrication. This really messed with treadle feel when moving back to neutral. And the cruise linkage connects with the brake linkage, so using the brakes was causing issues too (and confused me until I got under the tractor on my back and studied everything). I had to strategically lube the linkage little by little until I found what was sticking, then made sure to keep that lubed periodically.
On my previous B2920, I had issues with the damper linkage and the cruise control linkage sticking a little, due to lack of lubrication. This really messed with treadle feel when moving back to neutral. And the cruise linkage connects with the brake linkage, so using the brakes was causing issues too (and confused me until I got under the tractor on my back and studied everything). I had to strategically lube the linkage little by little until I found what was sticking, then made sure to keep that lubed periodically.
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Interesting... I swear my BX has changed since I bought it. It isn't as 'tight' as it used to be. It does not stop as quickly when releasing the pedal as it did when new whether in fwd/rev or hi/low. I am wondering if I am missing some maintenance. :confused3:
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Thanks for the input. I stopped at Barlows and asked if they had heard any complaints about the roll on and so far no. Apparently it is common on the BX25D as noted from current BX25D owners. Gary and Jamey told me to grease the linkage to ensure the pedal is returning to center which I will do in the near future. Jamey also asked if I had RPMs up since braking in the HST is internal and I did not and told them I'd try that to see if it makes any difference.
So, I'll grease linkage on the go pedal to ensure proper centering and I'll rev up to full operating RPMs to see if it has any impact. Maybe owning several different tractors over 11 years isn't a good thing since the differences are so noticeable. I might should have kept the original BX2200, my first Kubota and never bought any more and that way I could be fat, dumb and happy, which I am plus old. Maybe I should just go to dealers lots and try tractors instead of buying them and using them in actual daily use and then do evaluations from those test drives. I don't know what is the best answer but sure some of you do being much smarter and more coordinated than me and probably a lot younger and more experienced at everything than I am. I just try to do the best with what I have.:cool2:
P S I did own a B7800 for 3 years and a common problem with them was the pedal some times wouldn't center which prevented it from starting.
So, I'll grease linkage on the go pedal to ensure proper centering and I'll rev up to full operating RPMs to see if it has any impact. Maybe owning several different tractors over 11 years isn't a good thing since the differences are so noticeable.
I might should have kept the original BX2200, my first Kubota and never bought any more and that way I could be fat, dumb and happy, which I am plus old. Maybe I should just go to dealers lots and try tractors instead of buying them and using them in actual daily use and then do evaluations from those test drives. I don't know what is the best answer but sure some of you do being much smarter and more coordinated than me and probably a lot younger and more experienced at everything than I am. I just try to do the best with what I have.:cool2:P S I did own a B7800 for 3 years and a common problem with them was the pedal some times wouldn't center which prevented it from starting.
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JT, I'd say to grease the treadle pin, which should have a fitting, but also study the linkages that are under there and tie into the damper, cruise, brake, etc. You will see some sliding parts that will also benefit from lube. At least on my B2920, some of those sliding parts directly impacted how the treadle felt and how it returned to neutral. In my case, every time I stepped on the brake pedal, it was tugging on the cruise lever mechanism which was then affecting the damper.
You can get under the tractor with it turned off, key removed, and wheels chocked, and look at the linkage mechanisms while someone else moves the treadle. When the foot is removed, you will see the treadle "ooze" back to neutral based on the damper slowing the travel. Follow the mechanism between the damper and treadle, and lube any friction/contact points.
You can get under the tractor with it turned off, key removed, and wheels chocked, and look at the linkage mechanisms while someone else moves the treadle. When the foot is removed, you will see the treadle "ooze" back to neutral based on the damper slowing the travel. Follow the mechanism between the damper and treadle, and lube any friction/contact points.