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   / Camera Security Systems??? #181  
The next time that one guy is in a hurry, he should remember a belt for his pants! Should have grabbed one off a trimmer!
 
   / Camera Security Systems??? #182  
A friend who is in the lawn and garden equipment business brought this to my attention.

Alpine Lawn & Garden - Break In - October 2, 2�17 - YouTube

There is another video of them outside messing about, throwing stuff into a stolen U-Haul truck.

It is excellent video and yet TOTALLY USELESS!

Crime occured, stuff gone, gate and doors wrecked, perps never caught!

Had there been a few hundred watts of sirens going inside and outside, this would not have happened.

But hey, there is some entertainment value in it. So maybe they got the value out of their "security" system.
Thus the proper terminology is 'Surveillance' system. Should only be one facet of a security system.
 
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I think I said this before. I'm in a lightly populated County. I kust need video good enough that I can pass it around until someone says "Hey, that's Jimmy!!!!" The rest will be secondary.....
 
   / Camera Security Systems??? #184  
If this was a murder investigation, the footage would probably help.

Video is useful for gaining situational awareness in varying circumstances.
 
   / Camera Security Systems??? #185  
Here is a short video I captured last night with the Reo Link Go camera at my deer feeder. One thing about the Reo Link camera is that I can view and capture video on my smart phone, but not on my computer. Hopefully they will add that capability soon.

 
   / Camera Security Systems??? #186  
This video is a little longer (1 minute) and I turned on the 'talk' feature and tried to scare the pigs off. I think they ignored the sound of my voice because they probably couldn't here me very well during the heavy rain. Still pretty cool I think.

 
   / Camera Security Systems??? #187  
This video is a little longer (1 minute) and I turned on the 'talk' feature and tried to scare the pigs off. I think they ignored the sound of my voice because they probably couldn't here me very well during the heavy rain. Still pretty cool I think.


This is why I will never use an automated deer feeder. My neighbor had one right off the back corner of our property a couple of years back. When the hogs came they came on my property and tore my back yard up.

The trapper that helped me get rid of them said sour corn on the ground would attract wild hogs quick.

After I finally got rid of the hogs I started feeding the deer in pans and only put out what they would eat in a day. So far the hogs haven't returned.
 
   / Camera Security Systems??? #188  
I think I said this before. I'm in a lightly populated County. I kust need video good enough that I can pass it around until someone says "Hey, that's Jimmy!!!!" The rest will be secondary.....

I'd go with something that has good lenses built in, or has good lens options. The only way to ID people at a distance is with a camera that has good enough lenses to reach out and grab the image. A typical wide angle camera from a kit is never going to do this. As with all cameras since cameras were a thing, the optical grade lenses are the expensive part of the purchase. Do not expect to be satisfied with the images produced by anything reasonably priced.
 
   / Camera Security Systems??? #189  
Yeah, you can identify the make of balacalava or maybe tell they are wearing Hanes over their head.:shocked:

And EVEN if a perfect facial image is recorded, a smart criminal will say "that's not me" I'm not talking to law enforcement, I want my lawyer. End of case!
 
   / Camera Security Systems??? #190  
Some of my brain dump...

One has to have a reasonable expectation of "security" devices/"solutions."

I was engaged in MANY "survivalist" "security" discussions and found that with few exceptions NOBODY mentioned having a dog as a security element. It always seemed to come down to some "mechanical" solution: guns, mostly; with a dog you'd get some time to wake up and get your bearings (people just "think" they can wake from a dead-sleep and deal with any threat!).

Do not put all trust in a single security element. Security is about LAYERS.

I have various animals that can and do alert: I'll leave it at that because I'm not going to give away my "secrets."

Another layer is my fencing, which, though anyone can get through it, is yet one LAYER: one is forced to ingress/egress through my gates (not going to be able to drive through my fence). I have limited access to my home site: with the ditches and whatnot it's like being protected by a moat.

My watchful neighbors are yet another layer. Gotta go by them coming or going.

Now, on to the subject of this thread...

I have a techie "surveillance" system that I built from the ground up (open source software Zoneminder [unless you're a real techno-head I'd say to stay away from it]). System basics are:

- Cameras (Dahua) using POE (hardwired) to a simple POE switch which is connected the gigabit ethernet port on a dedicated server;
- Server is over-spec'd because I figure for a bit more $$ I'd prefer the piece of mind (as camera access goes through the server it's more important to have a robust server- direct streaming to cameras won't require as much CPU capacity);
- Two networks managed by the server, one is the cabled cameras and POE router and the other is a wifi to connect to my WAN router/modem (ISP), which is about 50' away in another building;
- My ISP provided modem/router allows for a DMZ, and this is where access to my server and cameras go through - LOCAL LAN is NOT accessible through the DMZ, which is how it should be done to keep your household computing devices walled off from WAN attacks;
- ALL equipment is connected to UPSes, so should power be dropped there's still some recording possible (I've got a generator that powers everything, so if I have a lengthy power outage I'm good- but, availability of the service provider's equipment is another thing and is outside my control).

Setting up cameras is a bit of work, getting them to cover what you want to cover: if possible have them protected/covered (if you're in a rainy location, such as I am, the views would be akin to the inside of a car wash!) Especially tricky if you're doing motion triggering: it's been noted what kind of hassle this can be with rapid changes in sun condition (clouds) and such, but it's just something that one has to live with. I've got one camera facing a direction in why smoke from my wood stove goes and this tends to trigger alarms (depending on how much smoke; I cannot turn down the sensitivity w/o hampering my ability to catch other motion of interest).

If you're looking at getting pan and tilt cameras (whatever they're called) you might need separate power. Check power requirements: there are POE switches offering different levels of power, though I don't know up to how much. I would have liked playing with such cameras but as I mounted my fixed position cameras to pretty much capture everything I need to monitor there's little need for more capable cameras.

My Dahua cameras are IR, and they actually worked pretty well, but I ended up disabling IR as they'd trigger alarms each time they cycled between day and night modes AND bugs loved to hover around them at night, resulting in more triggering! I have building lights that are activated from motion/IR, and when those lights come on the cameras will then alarm and record.

As has been mentioned, counting on high resolution isn't a good idea. It's nice to see pretty pictures, but masks and such can thwart that. High resolution capturing requires lots of data storage. And speaking of storage, I don't know what the consumer grade systems have, but there are varying grades of drives, with some pretty much targeted toward heavy write cycles. I'm running a higher grade mechanical harddrive for data (system drive is separate and is a non-mechanical/memory type).

One of the bigger hurdles with this stuff has to do with interfacing to the "outside" world. Managing live stream connections, recorded video, and, perhaps, notification alerts (I've kind of struggled with this- more and more ISP require certified/identifiable server connections, and this is a whole nuther bag of worms; it's why many "solutions" come with an extra service fee [I'm too cheap; and, I don't want to load/store stuff up in the "cloud"\]).

My cameras once managed to capture a racoon: keep in mind that we'd had no traces of raccoons in over 7 years!). We'd been losing a lot of eggs and some of our fowl. We have a game camera but where to set that up? The surveillance camera capture was huge in that we then knew for sure what we were dealing with (and were then subsequently able to mitigate the situation).

As I noted above, one of my cameras will pick up smoke from my wood stove. If there's any big issue, house catches on fire, I'll be able to find out fairly quickly!
 
   / Camera Security Systems??? #191  
I concur that Blue Iris is the way to go. I've been using it for the last 7+ years. The developer, Ken, is available and responsive. I'd pay 10x the cost just support his genius.

I currently have 35 cameras - mostly Hikvision and Dahua PoE IP cameras. The program is on a dedicated i7-4XXX machine running windows 10. The CPU runs between 60 and 80% (depending on the activity level of the cameras), and I have about half the cameras set to 15 FPS, with the remaining set to 25 and 30 FPS. Most are set to 1080P.

All but about 5 of the cameras are hardwired. And some runs approach 500'. The max distance for cat5/6 cable is about 330', but if you use solid copper (23ga) you can push it to about 450' w/o issue. If you need to go longer, you can get mid-span switches that act as a signal booster.

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Are your cameras attached to an NVR....and your pc views the cameras from the NVR....OR are they attached to the PC. Seems the NVR can do a lot of work of making the cameras work, without complexity in the network.

Having said that.....I bought some time back an IP systems from Supercircuits. They use Hikvision cameras, although I've only bought the Superciruits cameras. I cannot use anything to view the NVR except, the outdated Internet Explorer because Hikvision requires Web Components which all the other browser have abandoned...or their propriety ACMS client, which is horrible, and very taxing on the laptop. They do have a mobile app that works reasonably well. Well Blue Iris access this NVR?? I do have two monitors attached direct to the NVR on different floors of my house for constant monitoring. On those occasions I want to monitor from my laptop both Internet Explorer or the ACMS client is just less than ideal.

Are you using any power line adapters to drive the cameras? I have used, but lightening has taken it out twice. I've also used a longer Ethernet cable run, that also was taken out with lightening. Have you had those issues, and if so how do you deal with it?
 
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Yeah, you can identify the make of balacalava or maybe tell they are wearing Hanes over their head.:shocked:

And EVEN if a perfect facial image is recorded, a smart criminal will say "that's not me" I'm not talking to law enforcement, I want my lawyer. End of case!

I don't recall mentioning law enforcement.
 
   / Camera Security Systems??? #194  
I'm suggesting that a savvy, well informed criminal can be identified one hundred percent, using casual observation, but unless he does something stupid like confess, there is still no evidence against him. Now, if his fingerprints were found at the scene where they had no reason to be, that could be a different story. But it depends how much time and money the prosecution is willing to spend on a given case.
 
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Starts with a growl and ends with having flowers delivered? :laughing:
 
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Police in my area will put security cam pics on facebook, shoplifters, etc, and ask for help identifing. The get a lot of people identified. Whether they actually get prosecuted is another matter.
 
   / Camera Security Systems??? #199  
And that's another point I would like to make. All this window dressing and then, no prosecution. Here, the most laughable notion is that the Poh-leece, are "investigating" your sad, turn of fortune.

Who knows, maybe they conduct these "investigations" while they TAX people texting or not wearing seat belts.
 
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One of the most frustrating aspects of motion detection security cameras has been spiders. If anyone comes up with a long term repellant I want to know about it. Just sprayed mine with bug stop a few days ago. Rain came the day after and spiders are back.

Before anyone suggests peppermint oil, forget it. That doesn't last 10 minutes if it works at all.

Broom.
 

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