Can the hydraulic system get air locked after a fluid change

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I'm still working on this problem ,just had to leave it for a couple days. I appreciate all the help! Looking at the hst trouble shooting one of the first things that day to check is the input shaft. Should it be turning when tractor is at idle and in gear? Thanks again the shaft isn't turning
 
   / Can the hydraulic system get air locked after a fluid change #22  
I'm still working on this problem ,just had to leave it for a couple days. I appreciate all the help! Looking at the hst trouble shooting one of the first things that day to check is the input shaft. Should it be turning when tractor is at idle and in gear? Thanks again the shaft isn't turning
If that is the condition under which the tractor should move then yes the input shaft should be turning.
 
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I'm still working on this problem ,just had to leave it for a couple days. I appreciate all the help! Looking at the hst trouble shooting one of the first things that day to check is the input shaft. Should it be turning when tractor is at idle and in gear? Thanks again the shaft isn't turning
On a hydrostatic tractor, as long as the engine is running, input should be turning.
 
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Input turns when forward or reverse is applied at foot pedal otherwise not moving. Now what?
 
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The input shaft only turns when foot pedal is pushed, forward or reverse.
 
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Input turns when forward or reverse is applied at foot pedal otherwise not moving. Now what?
Lets take a step back for a better understanding.
1. Is the pump still whining?
2. Does the tractor move now with authority as it used to?
3. Did you do any of the recommendations given within this thread and if so, which ones?
 
   / Can the hydraulic system get air locked after a fluid change #27  
I had trouble with the first hydraulic oil change on my Ford 1700. 3-point became jerky. Took about 15 minuets to work all the entrapped air out of the system.
 
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I tried forcing air in thru filler tube. Raised rear wheels and ran in forward and reverse. I then tried it on the ground and it will travel as it should for a short distance then stop. If I am on a down hill slope it rolls along as if I'm in neutral. Pushing pedal back and forth it will engage again for a short distance. The whining noise is only as it engages and not so much when traveling. Found 2 small leaks , 1 or 2 drops now and then but it has done that for a long time before this trouble started.Thanks I appreciate all the help.
 
   / Can the hydraulic system get air locked after a fluid change #29  
I tried forcing air in thru filler tube. Raised rear wheels and ran in forward and reverse. I then tried it on the ground and it will travel as it should for a short distance then stop. If I am on a down hill slope it rolls along as if I'm in neutral. Pushing pedal back and forth it will engage again for a short distance. The whining noise is only as it engages and not so much when traveling. Found 2 small leaks , 1 or 2 drops now and then but it has done that for a long time before this trouble started.Thanks I appreciate all the help.
You either still have entrained air in the system or your pump is faulty.
In your shoes, my last ditch effort would do the entire drain process again and this time fill very slowly.
If you’re certain of hydraulic fluid amount capacity, pour it in smoothly and re-mount your filters. The equivalent size tractor to yours of what we sell, takes 9 gallons. I am un familiar of what your 2610 takes.
Additional air was not going to do anything for you.
It is not a closed system such as a cars coolant system operating at relatively low pressures as opposed to a system operating at 2500# or so.
If you refill your tractor properly and there are no intake leaks and it is still doing what it’s doing, I’m afraid your pump is shot.

As to the leaks you report, are they indeed hydraulic oil leaks? Unless you have hydraulic connection compromised o rings, hydraulic leaks are of tremendous pressure and would usually squirt out in such fineness, you can barely see them but will easily cut into your skin causing a toxicity that needs tending to immediately.
Test those with a piece of cardboard.
The kind of leaks I’m talking about are on the intake side of the system that could keep causing entrained air.
 
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Ok thanks a lot. I'll drain and start again with fingers crossed.
 
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I tried forcing air in thru filler tube.
Good idea. For that to work you would have had to also plug the sump vent tube back by the 3pt. Otherwise the forced air does nothing. Even if this method works, it will only allow the pump to get fluid while the sump is pressurized. If pressure works, and then the pump quits when the pressure is removed then you have found the problem.

Raised rear wheels and ran in forward and reverse. I then tried it on the ground and it will travel as it should for a short distance then stop.
If it travels at all, your problem is not the hydraulic pump.
If I am on a down hill slope it rolls along as if I'm in neutral. Pushing pedal back and forth it will engage again for a short distance.
Typical when a pump is starving for fluid.
The whining noise is only as it engages and not so much when traveling. Found 2 small leaks , 1 or 2 drops now and then but it has done that for a long time before this trouble started.Thanks I appreciate all the help.
See if you can figure out for sure that the pump is getting fluid. it sounds to me like it is not.
 
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Good idea. For that to work you would have had to also plug the sump vent tube back by the 3pt. Otherwise the forced air does nothing. Even if this method works, it will only allow the pump to get fluid while the sump is pressurized. If pressure works, and then the pump quits when the pressure is removed then you have found the problem.


If it travels at all, your problem is not the hydraulic pump.

Typical when a pump is starving for fluid.

See if you can figure out for sure that the pump is getting fluid. it sounds to me like it is not.
The hydraulics of a tractor are a separate system from engine and transmission. A moving tractor will not necessarily mitigate the idea of a pump in failure.
The tractor can still move but may have no power reserve to operate the actual hydraulics on a tractor.
 
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The hydraulics of a tractor are a separate system from engine and transmission. A moving tractor will not necessarily mitigate the idea of a pump in failure.
The tractor can still move but may have no power reserve to operate the actual hydraulics on a tractor.
That's true, except for tractors with HST transmissions of course. And a couple of - not all of - the power shifts. Somehow I had gotten the idea that his Kioti was a hydrostat. If not, that's my mistake.
rScotty
 
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Looks like there might be a leak in this hose.I'll replace and get new clamps before I start the tractor . I'm now draining all fluid and will put it back in slow.
 
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Going as slow as possible
 

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   / Can the hydraulic system get air locked after a fluid change #37  
That's true, except for tractors with HST transmissions of course. And a couple of - not all of - the power shifts. Somehow I had gotten the idea that his Kioti was a hydrostat. If not, that's my mistake.
rScotty
Scotty, that depends on the extent of pump failure. With total failure, you are correct of course.
I have seen hydrostats barely creep along with a compromised pump. If I read correctly, his tractor moves if it’s down hill then it stops or something to that effect. Replacing these pumps brought the tractor back to life.
Now this is with my brand and granted am unfamiliar with set ups in other brands meaning if there are safety valves that engage with a sensor solenoid or relay so a tractor doesn’t blow its pump upon a fluid distress situation.
At any rate, l hope the op all the luck in the world to find the solve to this problem inexpensively with the leak in his suction tube perhaps being a main culprit.
 
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Scotty, that depends on the extent of pump failure. With total failure, you are correct of course.
I have seen hydrostats barely creep along with a compromised pump. If I read correctly, his tractor moves if it’s down hill then it stops or something to that effect. Replacing these pumps brought the tractor back to life.
Now this is with my brand and granted am unfamiliar with set ups in other brands meaning if there are safety valves that engage with a sensor solenoid or relay so a tractor doesn’t blow its pump upon a fluid distress situation.
At any rate, l hope the op all the luck in the world to find the solve to this problem inexpensively with the leak in his suction tube perhaps being a main culprit.
We have discussed a suction air leak as being the most probable culprit several times in different posts since a week ago. We even discussed how it can happen as rubber connecting tubing ages. The tubing cannot be reclamped, it has to be replaced.

Post #34 points to the exact spot. So are we back to a suction air leak again?
 
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We have discussed a suction air leak as being the most probable culprit several times in different posts since a week ago. We even discussed how it can happen as rubber connecting tubing ages. The tubing cannot be reclamped, it has to be replaced.

Post #34 points to the exact spot. So are we back to a suction air leak again?
Have patience my friend.
For the experienced in these kind of problems it is of common nature to suspect certain things.
For the inexperienced, sometimes things have just to sift down but I commend the op in eventually finding a probable cause.
When a problem is posed remotely without the benefit of having the machine or the owner in physicality, most of the times its a guessing game as problems can be caused by several things.
Hopefully in time, things finally connect to resolve an issue.
 
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Thank you all very much.Len
 

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