Climate Change Discussion

[turbo36]

Sorry, I have heard the Gloom and Doom for decades. I can remember when rivers, lakes, and oceans REALLY where polluted. Now people swim in the Hudson. Air quality is vastly improved compared to 30 years ago.
Later,
Dan

I'm a little confused here, are you saying that we listened to the doom and gloom decades ago and enacted laws that led to a clean up of the air and water? Because if you are then isn't that exactly what the environmentalists are trying to do with global warming? Or maybe you mean that the lakes and air got tired of being polluted and just got cleaner on their own? Sort of a "laize fare" environmental policy?

 

[Tig]

Report due out later this week.
CTV.ca | Sea-level issue to rise at climate change summit

 

[LMTC]

Report due out later this week.
CTV.ca | Sea-level issue to rise at climate change summit

Per that link
A report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change headed by Dr Pachauri who "joined the North Carolina State University, Raleigh, NC, USA, where he obtained an MS in Industrial Engineering in 1972, a PhD in Industrial Engineering and a PhD in Economics".
Biography: Dr. R.K. Pachauri
Industrial Engineering?
Economics?
And that qualifies him regarding climate change exactly how?

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has been established by WMO and UNEP to assess scientific, technical and socio- economic information relevant for the understanding of climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation."
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
WMO The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) is a Specialized Agency of the United Nations
UNEP United Nations Environment Programme

It appears the whole IPCC thing is a UN project. I for one am not impressed with the UN's track record on anything.

 

[AMP762]

I'm just a dumb ol country boy,BUT 50yrs ago gas was cheap,air was clean,I could walk for hrs.in any direction and never see a house or any people.Now I live about 2mi. from where I did then.I can't walk outside without seeing houses.Have you thought theres to many people doing too much consuming.I have had two wives and one child,when me and my wives are gone there will be two less people in the world.I'm doing my part for the planet.

 

[EddieWalker]

Eddie,
Did you know that grapes grow wild in Canada in areas that can have -40C temperatures? From what I have read the grapes have been here since the Vikings first arrived. We actually have a thriving wine industry.
Can you direct me to your source that proves Roman times were warmer than today? It may be so, but it's not consistent with any data I have seen.
The trends of CO2 and temperature are directly proportional over history. (as evidenced by ice patterns and the gasses trapped in ice) The problem now is that the CO2 is way off the chart from anything we can detect in the earths history. AAAS - AAAS News Release

Tig,

Here is the link to the story about Global Warming.

Global Warming: An Unstoppable 1,500-Year Cycle

It's not for those who have there minds made up, but there is point after point about the natural cycle of the planet warming and the planet cooling.

What is a mystery is how this warming cycle is being blamed on humans and not the sun. Does anybody doubt the planet was warmer in the past? Tropical plants are found all over the Northern States and Canada in Archiological digs, but they are extinct today. Why was it warm enough for them to grow then, but not today?

There is a HUGE difference between wine grapes and wild grape growing in Canada!!!! Geeze.

Eddie

 

[N80]

No offense HazMat but I think it is kind of funny that you think any living breathing person in the US needs to be enlightened about global warming. You can't take a dump without someone telling you it is poking a hole in the ozone layer. Seriously, no matter what side you are on, who has missed the constant bombardment about global warming in every aspect of the media?

If you believe it and you feel strongly about it, then I applaude your efforts (seriously and sincerely). That is very much better than feeling strongly about it and not doing anything but ask everyone else to do something about it.

However, I think for some people their actions are prompted by guilt. And if you have guilt over this GW stuff, then your efforts are not sufficient to buy you a Get Out of Guilt Free card. So you drive a car instead of a truck, good. I'm conservative down to my bones and conserving energy is a great idea. I turn out the lights every time I leave a room, might not help, but doesn't hurt. But, if you are, indeed, driving a gasoline powered car, and you think fossil fuels are the cause of GW, then you are guilty as charged, just like the rest of us still driving trucks.

I heard recently about some group that you pay money to and they invest in environmental companies so that you can continue your/our addiction to fossil fuels but not feel guilty about it. That sickens me. Glad you are not one of them!

I don't believe in GW at all in the form that it is being delivered by the media. I think man's contribution to it, if it is real, is minimal. But here's the kicker, if it is dead real, totally man made and barrelling down on us like a freight train, so what? There is nothing any of us can do about it. If, as a country, we all went green and granola and didn't use another drop of oil, then India, China, the Pacific Rim and Russia are going to gobble it right up. They, at least India and China, are starting their glory days of expansion. We love to glorify our own expansion in the 1890's, so who are we to tell them they can't have their day?

So sure, do what you feel is right. Get over the guilt. Don't preach and be prepared to deal with life as it comes at you. Mankind goes through trials constantly. That's not new and even though we've grown awfully soft, we as a nation will have our own trials and we'll deal with them. But one thing is for sure, virtually none of the things that we predict will be our greatest trials end up being the toughest problems. So be prepared.

 

[Egon]

Canada has areas in which wine grapes are grown.

 

[Raddad]

You are what you read.

 

[tallyho8]

Hazmat, I take neither side in this controversy, but I applaud you for your reduction of usage of our natural resources. I wish millions of more people would conserve because I believe in the law of supply and demand and I know that if many of you used less that it would bring down the price of energy and I could get it cheaper. I also try to conserve quite a bit, not neccessarily because of global warming, but because I am not a rich person and I am able to save a lot by using less energy.

AMP762, I also agree with you that overpopulation causes many of our problems and we only have one child too. (Though, as I get older I do often wish we had had more). The main problem with this is that it seems like I often see the people who I believe would be able to be the best parents only having 1 or no children and the people who are not fit to be parents, or people in this and other countries in complete poverty having a houseful. Before I get hostile replies to this, let me state that there are many terrific parents with multiple children being raised perfectly, it's just that there are so many others who are not able to raise children for economic or mental reasons and often these kids become a drain on our society.

I really enjoy this forum and the ability to discuss things reasonably with people from all over the world and hope I have not said anything to offend anyone.

 

[EddieWalker]

Canada has areas in which wine grapes are grown.

So do lots of places. They are all warmer than England was 2,000 years ago.

Plus, the Romans were doing it without any genetic enhancement or fans or anything high tech that is used in modern day vineyards. California grows lots of grapes, yet they struggle with the cold weather every year. Do they have to worry about the grapes freezing in Canada?

Just imagine what it must have been like when the Romans were able to grow grape vines to make wine?

Eddie