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spox

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Hi all,

I have a small acreage horse farm with 2 horses. Its amazing how much "material" builds up with these two. I have been piling it and am about to have it hauled away, but was was wondering if I should spread it on the pastures instead. If i wanted to do that, what could i use to spread it?

Thanks
Stephen
 
/ Composted Manure: spread it? #2  
I am dealing with the same situation. I pile it in the backs woods and let it compost down. I use it around the gardens and over trails. Next year I will be advertising it for sale - will load pick-up truck or trailer, you haul away.

They say the average horse produces 9 tons a year x2 + 18-20 tons!!!

In order to spread it you need a manure spreader. They do make small ATV manure spreader or you could do it with a FEL and landscape rake - time consuming.

Lloyd
 
/ Composted Manure: spread it? #3  
I get together with two of my neighbors and we spread all of our manure in nearby fields twice a year. Timing in the spring is tight (after mud and before planting).
Plus we can use two tractors or a tractor and pick-up to make it go pretty fast.
 

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/ Composted Manure: spread it? #4  
It's a good idea to compost completely prior to spreading. Spreading fresh manure is discouraged because you may transfer living parasites from the manure right back into the ground. Composting completely should kill the parasites ... due to the heat produced in proper composting. If you do spread fresh manure, spread it thin and keep your horses out of that pasture/paddock for a long time.
 
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I also have 2 horses, 6 acres. I bought a small manure spreader for $350, works great. Had to do a bit of work on it, it's old but still serviceable. Composting is not such a simple process, you need a fairly large supply of sawdust or some other type of material, keep the pile covered, add the right amount of moisture, have to turn it, etc. I just keep piling it up until it's good and hot in July or August, then spread it and keep the horses off until it's baked a few weeks and is good and dry. Bigger problem is weed seeds in the manure. I've tried covering manure piles with black plastic tarps, they get so hot you can't even think of putting your hand in there. I'm hoping that does something to kill the weed seeds, but I'm not sure how hot it really has to get to kill them. I've always wondered if the parasite issue wasn't a bigger problem due to all the other critters pooping in the pasture, like deer, racoons, coyote, etc. My horses get treated for parasites, why should they have anything in their intestines to pass on?
 
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spox said:
Hi all,

I have a small acreage horse farm with 2 horses. Its amazing how much "material" builds up with these two. I have been piling it and am about to have it hauled away, but was was wondering if I should spread it on the pastures instead. If i wanted to do that, what could i use to spread it?

Thanks
Stephen

Sell it to gardeners...:D
 
/ Composted Manure: spread it? #7  
Definitely, compost/spread to take care of your own pastures/paddocks and sell or give-away the rest. Horse manure is a great fertilizer for gardeners. Flowers love that stuff. You might consider talking with your county extension-agent about what is best for your pasture soil. I found these government-links in another thread that may be helpful in determining the type of soil that you have and the best uses:
http://soildatamart.nrcs.usda.gov/
Web Soil Survey - Home

Personally, I intend to have three large compost-bins ... one that I'm filling ... one that is being turned and baking ... and one that I'm spreading ... and rotate them all every four months throughout the year. My neighbors have excessive poop build-up and usually have it hauled-off. I might just combine everyone's and have spreading-parties to help everyone's pastures. "Spread the love", I say ... or was it "spread the poop".

Regarding spreaders ...
There are small spreaders: Newer Spreader - The Manure Spreader that's perfect for smaller horse farms!
There are big spreaders: Meyer's Equipment Manufacturing Corporation Manure Spreaders
This site has an interesting buying guide.
 
/ Composted Manure: spread it? #8  
I get it from a local stable by the dump trailer load... they are happy just to get rid of it so they deliver. I windrow it, make sure it is good and wet (1.5" hose) and then back my 3 point tiller in from all sides and restack. I do this at least 3 times over a couple of months and then give it a final till/wetting and move it to a 'cure' bin.

This has a lot of sawdust bedding in it, old hay, straw etc. It cooks down to probably 1/2 to 1/3 its original size. I use it in my gardens, wifes flower beds etc. Lots of wood chips etc left at the end.. which works for mulching.

Around here most people try to give it away so they don't have to pay to get rid of it. Spreading it pretty much requires a manure spreader... alternatives are very time consuming. Even spreading it in my gardens is a bit of a chore to get it somewhat evenly distributed for tilling in (not using a manure spreader).
 
/ Composted Manure: spread it? #9  
As ALT5600 noted (i.e. parasites), my biggest concern has been killing out the parasites before spreading. I have 13 minature horses, and 13 acres in TX, and do agree the stuff piles up! I would like to set up a compost area but in the interim I've been scooping and dumping the poop in 50 gal barrell drums. Given our TX heat, I am told that the heat kills out the parasites, the only problem is I can go only about 7-10 days before dumping all 3 barrells. Not sure if that is enough time to kill everything out, but that is what I am doing currently.

I am spreading the manure in my pasture at this point, and once this year's garden dies out, I'll start dumping 100% of the poop in my garden for next season.

Manure spreader is the way to go and that is on my wish list to buy next. Given you have 2 horses perhaps using the barrells is an interim option. When dumping, I simply turn the barrell on its side and roll it along to empty and spread it evenly versus just dumping a big pile of it.
 
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I too have 2 horses on my small property (3 acre pasture, 1 acre paddock, 2 acre home site).

I bought a used 25 bushel manure spreader (H & S, $1000) that I pull with my lawn tractor. With my tractor I can fill the bed with 2 full buckets. I then spread it around my house, as the soil is bad (clay) and I figure that after 5 or so years it will enrich the soil.

I end up cleaning the paddock once every 2 to 3 weeks, and remove an average of 5 full loads (125 bushels, I guess).

It works great. I was borrowing the neighbors newer spreader, but the tractor bucket could not deposit easily in the newer spreader.

I plan to chain drag my pasture (it is new, and will not see horses until next spring).
 
/ Composted Manure: spread it? #12  
i have 4 horses and when we clean it gets piled up. my daughter gets to water it as im loading the pile. i keep adding to the pile all year turning it once every couple weeks.in oct i start a new pile and in middle dec. i spread with my loader in the pasture. you can kinda smell when its done. i was working a 10 wheeler at a dirt plant tht sold amended top soil, they took all the horse manure they could get. he composted it in windrows about 10 feet tall he said his trick to getting it done quick is putting nitrogen fertilizer on it and a drip water hose on top. jon
 
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PaulChristenson said:
My father-in-law uses a compost bin in early spring to start his vegetable plants early. He sets the potted seeds above the compost bin and encloses (with vents) the whole thing. End result is a homemade green house with built in heat from the composting manure. It does become a real chore to keep a check on temperature, as the heat will get really high, even when the outside temperature gets close to freezing. Need more heat just add a little water and you need to add fresh manure every so often. When plants and time are right he plants the garden using the now composted manure. Pretty good deal.
 
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I like that o2 compost system. It makes sense. Anybody use it??
 
/ Composted Manure: spread it? #15  
The biggest problem I have with composting is keeping moisture in it. I think the O2 system would compound that. Looks like they are located in Snohomish Washington and likely get plenty of rain so may not have this issue where they are located.

I do have less of a problem with the horse manure windrows drying out than the pallet compost bins I use for yard waste. The yard waste has to be wet every few days and the horse manure gets wet down when I turn it every two weeks or so.

Some people simply put perforated pipe in their piles and report good results.

I am somewhat surprised the place I get my manure from does not wet it down in their manure pile. Keeping it wet would help it break down faster and reduce the size of the pile/material to haul although it would also make it heavier.
 
/ Composted Manure: spread it? #16  
In the oil refinery I work at, they have built wooden boxes around the water draw valves on the big gasoline storage tanks. In the fall the boxes are filled with horse manure. The heat it generates keeps the valves from freezing all winter.:D
 
/ Composted Manure: spread it? #17  
I've been making compost for 20+ years and will offer a few thoughts on "composted" manure.

Old manure is not necessarily "composted" manure.

They typically classify the ingrediants in compost into 2 categories, Green stuff and Brown stuff. Green stuff contains nitrogen, the Brown stuff contains more carbon. Combine the two, with Moisture and Air, and that's when you get heat, which indicates thermophilic reaction, or "Compositng".
Not to bore anyone with the chemistry.

Green stuff: Manure, grass clippings, vegetable and fruit scraps, etc.

Brown stuff: straw, wood shavings/sawdust, fall leaves.
Brown stuff has a lot of air in it, so keep this in mind.

I use lime and/or woodstove ashes to balance the Ph, as well.

I have heard a lot of different formulas over the years, but, to be general about it, and following what i found that works well, is you need more Browns than Greens. 3:1 Browns to Greens works well in my book.
By weight you can use a 1:1 ratio.
By volume it may be 20:1 or 30:1, Browns to greens, this is due to the fluffier brown material which contains a lot of air.

What does this mean for horse manure? To me, it means unless you use a ton of bedding material, and change it very frequently, you probably won't have enough Browns to fully compost the manure. It's most likely that the typical horse stall clean out will probably need more Browns. (By weight, not volume). Fresh urine is very high nitorgen, so, add that into the equation, again, more browns are needed for full decomposition.

The heat of the pile will tell the tale. I would say that if your pile rises above 130F degrees in the first 24 hours, then you have a good initial mix. My piles have gone as high as 180F in the center. To kill weed seeds, technically, it has to go above about 125F (that's what I have read). The weed seeds "cook" and that's what kills them. When the temp of the pile falls below 100F, it's time to stir the pile. This time the temp will rise, maybe not quite as far, but it should rise. You mgiht end up stirring 3 or 4 times for full composting to take place. Once it doesn't rise above 100F , you probably have 90% composted material. the last 10% of the action could take months, if you want to take it all the way. This would be more for fine gardeneing, potting plants, etc.

If you spread your "composted" manure and get a lot of weeds and volunteer action, then it wasn't composted fully, just old.

Too dry. This might be simply not enough water, or, it may be the Brown/Green ratio is not good enough, and the reaction is sucking all of the moisture out, before it has a chance to react well.

I do use manure in my compost, but I find I get better compost when using a wider variety of materials. Manure, straw, grass clippings, leaves, woodchips, kitchen scraps. it seems the more diverse my materials, the better all of them break-down to true compost. For me, the more variety of stuff, the merrier.

My buddy has 4 or 5 horses and one of those huge piles of manure that he cannot get rid of quickly enough. Some of it is upward of 2 or 3 years old.
I can tell you, it's old, but it's not composted. When I mix it with my other stuff, it starts breaking down quite rapidly.

I am sorry if this sounded like a lecture. I just wanted to give the basics for actual composting, and explain what I have learned about how manure fits into the equation.

Needless to say, I find that people often confuse old manure with composted manure. If it resembles potting soil or loam and has worms in it, you have some good stuff.

-Another thing I find about composting manure, the better composted it is, the less flies you have! Fully composted manure doesn't attract flies. If your summer pile has flies buzzing, it has more raw material than composted material.

Once you get good at it, and mix the proper materials, you can fully compost fresh manure in about 30 days, and spread it with no fear of massive weeds or worry about keeping the grazing animals off of it.

Again, sorry for the "lecture" tone of this. I'm hoping it helps anyone reading the background of getting the material to decompose faster and better.

I'll be glad to answer any questions after the Pop Quiz. :D :D



The SkunkWerx Compost formula:

-Proper ratio of greens and browns. Wider variety of stuff is better.
-Minimum pile size 1 to 2 yards (smaller piles have trouble heating up and staying hot).
-Shredded stuff decomposes faster (mow or shred leaves first).
-Water the pile as it's stacked.
-Throw in some regular old dirt to add substance.
-Better than dirt, Mix in some old compost, soil, or loam from the forest floor (adds the enzymes and bacteria to help form the microbes that does the work).
-Mix in some lime or ashes to counteract any acidic nature of the base materials.
-Check that the pile heats up well.
-Remix when temps fall off. Repeat until pile no longer heats up. remiing is vital to add air, it's also a good time to add more moisture, if needed.
-Even once pile no longer makes heat, the cooler temp bacteria take over and continue the final process, along with worms. This last part is sometimes called "finishing the compost".

For finer gardening screen the compost at approx. 1/2" size. I find screening smaller than 1/2" makes the compost compact too easily. 1/2" gets out the crud, but gives plenty enough air and tilthe for plant growth. 1/4' is the absolute smallest i would ever consider for screening.
 
/ Composted Manure: spread it? #19  
Skunkwerx, great info.

I have several farms that hire me to haul their horsey manure, as they are terrified of using it on their farms. I haul it back and pile some to compost (not correctly, I now know;) ) and the rest goes in my rough loam pile for later screening (1500 +- yards). When I add chicken manure and let it all set for a couple years, it makes some great loam when screened.

Thanks for the info!
 
/ Composted Manure: spread it? #20  
Skunkwerx....you're right on the money with your write-up.
I have 4 horses. My 80 year old mother was throwing the manure and stall shavings in the woods. This had the potential of getting into the creeks and streams that feed my pond. Not good :mad: .
I built a 3 bay compost system. One concrete slab 12'x35' divided into 3 equal sections with sides about 5 feet tall. One is the new stuff, one is cooking and the third is ready to spread. I turn all of it once every few weeks. Before turning I actually check the temp with a long thermometer made just for composting.I found that keeping it moist was the key to good composting and getting the heat level up there. It should stay together when squeezed into a ball but not drain any liquid.
I can always tell when the "stuff" is ready for the garden or pastures because it has no smell and looks like dirt.
Question: I do have a need to break up the clumps in it and was wondering what others have done. When I till it into the gardens the tiller breaks it up. When spreading on the pasture the manure spreader doesn't do a good job of busting up the clumps. I plan on selling some to local nurseries and garden stores but need to get it much finer. Maybe run it through a small garden chipper/shredder? Any suggestions?
 
 

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