Front-End Loader Cutting edge vs. Tooth Bar on the Bucket???

[MossflowerWoods]

I'm buying my tractor and getting it outfitted.

Can someone explain the pro/cons and useage of a Tooth Bar and a Cutting Edge.

Which one and why, or do I need both?

I will be doing brush clearing and leveling and cleaning up land after the mulcher grinds stumps & slash. I will also be clearing and putting in trails, maintaining dirt access roads for fire prevention/fighting etc.

Thanks in advance,
David

 

[Zxyrthe]

My toothbar gives my FEL enough of an underbite to make picking and moving both woody debris and solid objects a little easier. It's also good for "raking" out surface roots. I've also hung a chain from a tooth or two and used it to suspend and carry various items. Most recently I used it to remove an old signpost.

I go toothbar-free when working snow or backdragging gravel in the driveway.

 

[Don87]

Your bucket already has a cutting edge on it.

The toothbar is an add-on and makes digging easier. Also useful for brush moving.

I want one real bad.


http://www.wrlonginc.com/FTB.htm

 

[nybirdman]

A tooth-bar is a very handy and fairly inexpensive addition to a bucket.Easily removed for back blading,snow removal ect.Mine with the Green's Machine Thumb works great for brush removal.A lot easier digging with the tooth-bar on.

 

[MossflowerWoods]

A tooth-bar is a very handy and fairly inexpensive addition to a bucket.Easily removed for back blading,snow removal ect.Mine with the Green's Machine Thumb works great for brush removal.A lot easier digging with the tooth-bar on.

NY,

I'm being quoted $350 for the toothbar.

I LIKE the Green's Machine Thumb!!! That may be just the ticket for me!

Thank you!
David

 

[Don87]

NY,

I'm being quoted $350 for the toothbar.

I LIKE the Green's Machine Thumb!!! That may be just the ticket for me!

Thank you!
David

It is, the ones from WRLong look way too large for your application.

 

[crash325]

I'm buying my tractor and getting it outfitted.

Can someone explain the pro/cons and useage of a Tooth Bar and a Cutting Edge.

Which one and why, or do I need both?

I will be doing brush clearing and leveling and cleaning up land after the mulcher grinds stumps & slash. I will also be clearing and putting in trails, maintaining dirt access roads for fire prevention/fighting etc.

Thanks in advance,
David

Hi David,
I think you are talking about a "Hard Edge" & Tooth bar.

Your bucket has a built in cutting edge. Depending on how much and how hard you use it. it could last a long long time. For hard use on concrete or lots of stone you want a Hard Edge.

If you get a tooth bar. you want it to easy to remove or put on. It's not real goof for smoothing driveways or roads.

Hope that helps.

 

[nybirdman]

Your price on the tooth-bar is about right.the expensive part of the grapple is the third function valve.You may want to include it with your tractor purchase.
$700-$1,000.I think I paid about $470.00 for the thumb.

 

[MossflowerWoods]

Your price on the tooth-bar is about right.the expensive part of the grapple is the third function valve.You may want to include it with your tractor purchase.
$700-$1,000.I think I paid about $470.00 for the thumb.

NY,

Did you do the thumb install yourself or did you find a dealer?

I was talking to a different dealer and he told me the hoses, quick connects etc wil set me back over $100 each PLUS I still will need to drill or weld the thumb on.

That might be beyond this computer geeks capabilities.
David

 

[nybirdman]

By all means bolt the thumb on.You may want to remove to do dirt work etc.
I had to weld an angle on top and bolted thru.the angle also reinforces the top of the bucket.

 

[yucholian]

I wanted a bolt-on tooth bar for my 72" bucket but was quoted $700 after taxes. I ended up buying a brand new 72" bucket with a weld-on replaceable teeth from a local fabricator shop for $800. Much quicker to swap with a quick attached.

 

[MossflowerWoods]

I wanted a bolt-on tooth bar for my 72" bucket but was quoted $700 after taxes. I ended up buying a brand new 72" bucket with a weld-on replaceable teeth from a local fabricator shop for $800. Much quicker to swap with a quick attached.

WOW!

I have quick attach (bobcat style he said) also.

I was quoted $390 +tax, but I'm getting them for a slight dicsount.

David

 

[dex3361]

i bought the HD round back bucket and the bolt on cutting edge. After I used it for a while I realized that I needed the tooth bar instead. The tooth bar has a hardened bar with the teeth welded on and adds rigidity to the existing bucket edge. I have pried on rocks and roots with the tooth bar and find it to be a great addition to the bucket.

 

[dlmpsy]

I have the bolt-on toothbar (inside the bucket style), very helpful for digging. Mine is a 70.5" ID, paid about $375. A bolt-on cutting edge is useful if you are working with highly abrasive material, or want/need protection for your bucket lip. The Bobcat I use at work very frequently to move sand and gravel has a replaceable cutting edge. It is hardly worn after two years, but I'm not prying or hitting hard, heavy objects. In case you are unaware, the bucket edges can be replaced if needed, but that's usually not a cheap proposition. The right tool for the job as the saying goes. If I was moving gravel or backdragging my road, I would probably just use the "factory" bucket. If I was doing some occasional digging, a toothbar would probably be better. If I had a lot of digging, I would consider renting/hiring someone to do the majority of the work with a more specialized piece of equipment.

 

[nickel plate]

I'm buying my tractor and getting it outfitted.

Can someone explain the pro/cons and useage of a Tooth Bar and a Cutting Edge.

Which one and why, or do I need both?

I will be doing brush clearing and leveling and cleaning up land after the mulcher grinds stumps & slash. I will also be clearing and putting in trails, maintaining dirt access roads for fire prevention/fighting etc.

Thanks in advance,
David

David,
I certainly realize that you are laying out some big money with an initial tractor purchase but when you do jump for a toothbar, welded or bolted, do some homework on a future bucket grapple of your choice mated up to your existing toothbar. Look closely at nybirdman's photo. You will see that his "Thumb" bucket grapple has an "overbite" between the teeth of the toothbar, a correct way to make the two work in harmony, good job nybirdman. The last thing you want to go wrong is a conflict/strike of mismatched spacing of the new grapple teeth and the existing toothbar teeth. I've loaded this photo of my M.I.E. bucket grapple before and some guys viewing this may nod off due to repetition but I feel it is important to you and others on the toothbar/grapple threshold to understand the necessary dynamics required between the toothbar and the grapple. Even if I decide to temporarily remove the toothbar, the standard bucket's cutting edge is still the grapple's stopping point.

 

[MossflowerWoods]

David,
I certainly realize that you are laying out some big money with an initial tractor purchase but when you do jump for a toothbar, welded or bolted, do some homework on a future bucket grapple of your choice mated up to your existing toothbar. Look closely at nybirdman's photo. You will see that his "Thumb" bucket grapple has an "overbite" between the teeth of the toothbar, a correct way to make the two work in harmony, good job nybirdman. The last thing you want to go wrong is a conflict/strike of mismatched spacing of the new grapple teeth and the existing toothbar teeth. I've loaded this photo of my M.I.E. bucket grapple before and some guys viewing this may nod off due to repetition but I feel it is important to you and others on the toothbar/grapple threshold to understand the necessary dynamics required between the toothbar and the grapple. Even if I decide to temporarily remove the toothbar, the standard bucket's cutting edge is still the grapple's stopping point.

Nickel Plate,

Excellent point. The engineer in me saw that when looking a NY's "thumb".

In the end, I got a killer deal on a WR Long root grapple (very slightly used) and I dropped the BOG idea completely. The bucket is for bucket work, the grapple is for the rest.

Thanks,
David

 

[SSdoxie]

I added a Quick Attach to my loader Monday. While at the dealer picking it up I was pricing a bolt on tooth bar $400. Knowing it was going to take my a week or 2 before I got my 68" bucket modified to use the QA, asked about buckets and ended up getting a 60" skid loader dirt bucket with weld on teeth $650. Went narrower because bucket is heavier duty, still fits tractor tire width. Used to clean up around the hay bunks last night, works amazing may not have to invest in that grapple I have been considering to move the trampled hay and manure. Once I get the old bucket modified will take jsut a couple minutes to switch from either style bucket or the hay spear. If you have a QA, check into a second bucket.

 

[k0ua]

I added a Quick Attach to my loader Monday. While at the dealer picking it up I was pricing a bolt on tooth bar $400. Knowing it was going to take my a week or 2 before I got my 68" bucket modified to use the QA, asked about buckets and ended up getting a 60" skid loader dirt bucket with weld on teeth $650. Went narrower because bucket is heavier duty, still fits tractor tire width. Used to clean up around the hay bunks last night, works amazing may not have to invest in that grapple I have been considering to move the trampled hay and manure. Once I get the old bucket modified will take jsut a couple minutes to switch from either style bucket or the hay spear. If you have a QA, check into a second bucket.

And if you have a few minutes, and want a good laugh (at me) read my bucket conversion thread. :thumbsup:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/customization/208653-so-you-think-converting-pin.html


James K0UA

 

[MossflowerWoods]

I added a Quick Attach to my loader Monday. While at the dealer picking it up I was pricing a bolt on tooth bar $400. Knowing it was going to take my a week or 2 before I got my 68" bucket modified to use the QA, asked about buckets and ended up getting a 60" skid loader dirt bucket with weld on teeth $650. Went narrower because bucket is heavier duty, still fits tractor tire width. Used to clean up around the hay bunks last night, works amazing may not have to invest in that grapple I have been considering to move the trampled hay and manure. Once I get the old bucket modified will take jsut a couple minutes to switch from either style bucket or the hay spear. If you have a QA, check into a second bucket.

SSdoxie,

You've got the Bobcat, right? it did not come with "Bobtach" SSQA? My Kioti is coming with the bobcat style SSQA standard. I know Boncat uses Rhino FEL and Kioti uses their own, but it seems odd you had to add this? I am puzzled.

My dealer assures me the bucket and the grapple will both quick attach on my FEL, so right now I don't see a use for a different bucket, uneless I could get some LARGE Volume bucket that would mass amounts of lighter weight material (like firewood, loose hay, etc). You know what I mean?

David

 

[nickel plate]

Just out of sheer curiosity, did you buy the WR Long grapple that is listed in our classifide section? Good on you if you did.:thumbsup: