PoorMansCat
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all diesel fuel here in east texas has 10-15% bio blend..Im glad of it too.
Diesel Fuel Lubricity And Additives
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Interesting.... hadn't come across tpx before, thanks for posting.
Total Power, Inc | TPx Total Power
They look to be San Diego based.... this might have originally been develloped for the military.
They talk about "a high-count of oxygen molecules" in their products..... gotta cogitate on that a bit.... makes sense for combustion, but you normally want to reduce oxidation for storage.
Not a criticism of the product.... just me scratching my head...... :scratchchin:
Rgds, D.
Total Power, Inc | TPx Total Power
They look to be San Diego based.... this might have originally been develloped for the military.
They talk about "a high-count of oxygen molecules" in their products..... gotta cogitate on that a bit.... makes sense for combustion, but you normally want to reduce oxidation for storage.
Not a criticism of the product.... just me scratching my head...... :scratchchin:
Rgds, D.
DarkBlack
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What exactly are you 'glad' about?
JESSE1
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Bio is supposed to add lubricity to diesel fuel. I used to see stickers on all diesel pumps that said bio was added but it seems like they've been removed from the stations I use. I add Motorcraft PM 22 to my tank when I fuel to increase cetane and add lubricity.
buickanddeere
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Some people like taking vitamins for themselves and pouring exotic elixirs in to their machinery. It's some kind of thinking where it's an easy no effort way to obtain great gains with little expense. Pop this pill and grow big muscles fast and look like Arnold Schwarzenegger
The only potions, witchcraft and sorcery to pour into a machine is. A oil seal swelling for old high hour equipment. IPA to absorb water from fuel. And waterglass to limp a machine leaking coolant back to the shop.
The only potions, witchcraft and sorcery to pour into a machine is. A oil seal swelling for old high hour equipment. IPA to absorb water from fuel. And waterglass to limp a machine leaking coolant back to the shop.
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I have been using it in my diesel truck and tractor, and I also use their gasoline additive in my other vehicles, I was skeptical at first but I have to admit that I am impressed so far, definitely not snake oil. They have several videos on you tube that demonstrate their product,and they actually do a side by side comparison with a petroleum based additive.....wow . just my .02
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I have seen it gel much easier with Bio vs strait diesel here. I got talked into 10% one time, 300 gallons of it. I learned my lesson.
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PoorMansCat
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we dont have gelling issues here in Texas to worry about. The Bio adds lubricity.
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http://www.archoil.com/wp-content/uploads/sheets/ARCHOIL%20AR6200%20Product%20Tech%20Sheet.pdf
Found the quart today at a door we do not normally use so it came fast. Not sure at $0.16 per gallon to treat if it will be worth it but does work for gas or diesel and I wanted to try it since we got a gallon of AR9100 to treat engines but so not have any engines with stiction issues which is a common reason people by it.
Found the quart today at a door we do not normally use so it came fast. Not sure at $0.16 per gallon to treat if it will be worth it but does work for gas or diesel and I wanted to try it since we got a gallon of AR9100 to treat engines but so not have any engines with stiction issues which is a common reason people by it.
I know the name of the product, but not much about it.
If the Bell Labs connection is true, I'd consider the product for that reason alone.
Rgds, D.
DeereMann
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Yup - up north, biodiesel gels quicker. Minnesota mandates blending 10% bio until October. Truckers complained about excessive gelling last winter (colder than normal) despite fuel line heaters.
Biodiesel also biodegrades quickly. Gotta turn it over quick, not good for storage even with biocides.
Other than that, I like biodiesel. Seems like a net energy positive, unlike ethanol. And increases lubricity as demonstrated by the Spicer test.
It is getting cold already up here - switched to winter additive OptiLube XPD. brrr!
Biodiesel also biodegrades quickly. Gotta turn it over quick, not good for storage even with biocides.
Other than that, I like biodiesel. Seems like a net energy positive, unlike ethanol. And increases lubricity as demonstrated by the Spicer test.
It is getting cold already up here - switched to winter additive OptiLube XPD. brrr!
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Some people buy vehicles with high pressure diesel fuel pumps proven to fail with the low quality diesel fuel found in the US, Bosch - Why Diesel Fuel Injectors Fail - Diesel Power Magazine Page 2 lays it out.
Some people have poor eyesight and live with it. Other may wear glasses.
DeereMann
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+1 :thumbsup:
Even with small diesel engines like ours that don't have High Pressure Common Rail fuel injection, fuel quality & stability is still important. I don't want to find my machine going down unexpectedly with clogged injectors due to crappy U.S. diesel fuel quality. Including biodiesel instability.
Anybody that's ever priced an injector/pump overhaul knows this.
buickanddeere
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After the first few months of ULSD ruining a few pumps. There has been a lub additive for the past 6+ years.
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Do you have any reference that shows all highway diesel in the US meets the European standard of scar diameter of 460 μm rather than the US standard of 520 microns?
And if it's been going on for 6 years why was it written 4 years ago:
in Lubricity of US spec ULSD (Diesel) causing HPFP failures ?
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buickanddeere
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Looks like the Americans have fallen behind the rest of the world again.this time with fuel lube.
The Engine Manufacturers Association wanted the smaller spec, for the obvious reasons.
Big Oil has more and better lobbyists in Washington than the EMA, so you are stuck with 520u in the USA.
Rgds, D.
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Dave that was my though as well. I will try to add the AR6200 to a lot of tanks this week but the fall rains have started so working in the dirt is hit and miss.
moriboy
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I haven't spent any money on fuel lubrication products. So far I haven't experienced any pump/injector failures. I might be flirting with death, who knows!! We have equipment and pickups from the 1970's to new this year. In forty years, our only fuel related problems were caused by water.
