Do we need a warm garage....

[Oldpath05]

"My Dog loves it, happy Dog, happy life"<<<<Now when you say dog, I'm taking that as the 4 legged kind ...........

 

[Oldpath05]

Okay I think I can answer the OP's question. YES... 'we' absolutely need a warm shop. It's 34degF and I decided not to finish a little honey do project because I started without proper dress and I'm too lazy to change and get back out there from the warm house. Maybe I can parlay this into another xmas present from my wifey? A nice big heater? I have a detached garage/shop that has sheet rocked walls and ceiling but no insulation. I need to insulate the rafters and if I get a xmas present... get a thermostat to heat to keep my tools somewhat comfortable too when I'm not there. The bonus would definitely be to have a remote!

Yup that sounds like me too, hard to leave a warm house, you know you need heat when you can see your breath.
For a heat kick-starter I have last year's Christmas present, 70,000 BTU Pro-Temp heater, worked good the first two Saturdays then no heat, had to call for tech service, several times, finally after several mailed parts and 6 weeks later, fixed, ended up being circuit board inside. Didn't know it last year but probably would of been better off if the heater was bought local at HD or Tractor supply<<different color and name but same kind of heater, that way when it breaks, take it back to the store, 2 hr.-vs. 6 weeks..........And remote control heat is more expensive, but would be nice

 

[Oldpath05]

Just ran across this thread and was reminded of the sticker shock I got when ordering the flue for our fireplace. It uses 16" ID double wall insulated stainless and had 28 feet to run. I really hope the post about a 10 year life is way off. I would have to consider switching to gas if we had to replace after only 10 years.

16" ID, that's got to be in the thousands$$$$$. At 21' I'm in it for around $750.00, plus and or at least 6 hours of aggravating pre-work.

 

[Raspy]

Oldpath,

Just curious why you didn't run your single wall up about two more sections of the double wall and put the transition up there. That would have saved on the cost of the double wall and put more heat into the room from the single wall. The transition at the double/single interface, with the nice shelf you made, could have been a straight transition to sweep the whole thing down to a TEE behind the stove. Just curious.

Nice looking installation.

 

[jk96]

16" ID, that's got to be in the thousands$$$$$. At 21' I'm in it for around $750.00, plus and or at least 6 hours of aggravating pre-work.

By the time we bought the flue, offsets, anchor plates, fire stops, rain cap/screen, etc we were about $4,500 deep not counting the fireplace. The fireplace was a custom built unit and a little pricey but I never even thought about the cost of the flue at the time. Lesson learned.

 

[KennyG]

I'm curious also about why single wall wasn't used in the room space. I have seen people run double wall so it wouldn't be a hazard if you touch it, but it does improve the heat efficiency to use single wall.

Also, relative to the mention of 16" flue pipe. How big is that fireplace? When you can run wood stoves with 80K Btu capacity or more with 6" flue pipe, a 16" pipe would handle an industrial size burner.

 

[jk96]

Also, relative to the mention of 16" flue pipe. How big is that fireplace? When you can run wood stoves with 80K Btu capacity or more with 6" flue pipe, a 16" pipe would handle an industrial size burner.

The firebox is huge. Inside dimensions of the firebox are 48" wide, 28" deep, and 42" tall. It's a see thru indoor/outdoor fireplace with doors on both sides. I'm going from memory on rated btu's but I believe it was around 110,000. I do know with the 16" flue there is never an issue getting the fire to draw. It's extremely easy to a get fire started. Still not sure of the reason for 16" though. As mentioned I was a little sticker shocked when I found out it was setup for 16".

 

[JRobyn]

Single wall inside the heated space may not be such a great idea. That's what my FIL has in his cabin and the flue cools the exhaust off so quickly that creosote condenses like crazy. He sometimes has to clean every couple of weeks, or if he doesn't, he gets chimney fires. Even so, he usually has at least a few chimney fires every season :-o

 

[KennyG]

Single wall inside the heated space may not be such a great idea. That's what my FIL has in his cabin and the flue cools the exhaust off so quickly that creosote condenses like crazy. He sometimes has to clean every couple of weeks, or if he doesn't, he gets chimney fires. Even so, he usually has at least a few chimney fires every season :-o

Not to be critical, but is he burning unseasoned wood? I have 9 feet of single wall to the ceiling of my pole barn and after three years, no evidence of creosote. In my house I have about 6 feet of single wall to get to the masonry chimney. I had it professionally cleaned this year for the first time in three years and the sweep said he found some ash and soot but no creosote.

 

[RedNeckGeek]

I do need a warm garage/shop. Currently using an old kerosene heater and a propane tank with the dual burner attachment on top. What kills me is the cost of kerosene at Home Depot and the refilling of 20b propane tanks. Really want to keep my shop dryer in the winter time but it costs a fortune the way I am doing it now.

If you have a large propane tank for heating the house or your water, call the folks that fill it and ask them if you can bring your picnic bottles by for a refill. Around here Home Depot gets about twenty bux for a refill, my propane supplier charges less than half that.