Dodge-Nissan collaborating on Pickups?

[Diamondpilot]

Funny you mention the stand alone dealerships. We just got one here and they closed the Nissan franchise at the GMC dealer. I talked to the owner. He is a 3rd generation dealership owner. His dad and grandfather owned Ford Dealerships up around Ft. Wayne Indiana.

Chris

 

[workinallthetime]

I would strongly recomend the Tundra, unless you constantly tow heavy trailers, in which case you should be looking at a diesel;but you already know that. I would match the 5.7L, 6speed Tundra against any 1/2 ton truck out there in towing and fuel milage(empty or towing). I routinely average 18 MPG empty running the back roads around here and better than 19 empty on the interstate at 70+ MPH. Towing an 8,000+ load I average 12 to 12.5 MPG; the reason I traded my '05 150 SuperCrew

well ya got my 07 gmc crew 4x4 vmax beat in fuel econ but id be more than happy to hook em up hitch to hitch and see who drags who across the parking lot, then we could set em up at the strip and see who gets the best time and after that we can drop drop 10k load on the ball and see who gets there first. ALL the toy air haulers talk big but ive only had one hook up with me and even with 33" tires on mine he didnt have anything for the mighty gmc v-max. truck and a half distance ahead in less than 3 blocks but he was tryin real hard, didnt want any more at the next light. lol
little red hasnt been beat by a toy yet.

 

[Builder]

well ya got my 07 gmc crew 4x4 vmax beat in fuel econ but id be more than happy to hook em up hitch to hitch and see who drags who across the parking lot, then we could set em up at the strip and see who gets the best time and after that we can drop drop 10k load on the ball and see who gets there first. ALL the toy air haulers talk big but ive only had one hook up with me and even with 33" tires on mine he didnt have anything for the mighty gmc v-max. truck and a half distance ahead in less than 3 blocks but he was tryin real hard, didnt want any more at the next light. lol
little red hasnt been beat by a toy yet.

Talkin SMACK!!!

 

[Diamondpilot]

I have not had the opportunity to drive a GMC V Max or the new Tundra but back in early 2005 I sold a boat to a guy in Washington DC. He had never towed anything and showed up in a new Titan 4x4. The boat was 30' and about 10K-11K. He had me drive it the 45 miles or so to the lake so he could watch how I planed the stops and made the turns. His brother followed us in my Hemi 2500 so I could go home and they could head out after the lake trial.

I have to say I was impressed. It would out tow, out accelerate, and out stop my Hemi 2500. I was already not pleased with my Hemi but the Titan was one **** of a truck. I know the other manufactures have came along way in the last 4 years or so but at that time the Titan was kind of the 1/2 tons hand down and had the 3/4 ton gassers beat also.

Chris

 

[skargo]

Reckon why you don't see many Dodge roll-backs and wreckers. Why can't they build a body and electrical system to match that darn Diesel engine. Still using a 1992 Dodge 3500 with Banks turbo 4 wheel drive super cab, it got better mileage than any 7.3 or gas truck that we had around. BUT---But it is the roughest riding rig around and the wiring and body are falling apart but the engine is just getting broke in. But what can you expect from a 16 year old farm use truck that has done it all. Government emission control are killing the new diesel engines both in trucks and tractors!!!!!Ain't these things 'pose to last at least 50 years like my 8N?????? Heard Nissan was going to use the Navistar diesel and build their own 3/4 and 1 tons in Michigan. They are still owned by Renault???? Is any of this true??? I see they are building alot of New "stand alone" Nissan dealership buildings in Louisiana and TEXAS. Lots of heavy pickup trucks sold in that area.

You can't compare a 92's ride with a 2nd or 3rd gen. That 92 has leaf spring front suspension, the others coils.

And now Dodge finally got with it and makes trues cab and chassis models, and 4500 and 5500 trucks. We sell mainly trucks and we have sold aquite a few for rollbacks now, and in fact, have one for the dealership now.

Late to the game, I know, but maybe they are catching the rest of the truck up with the best diesel engine out there finally.

 

[redneckford]

What the heck are we going to do with these new emmissions controls standards that are killing fuel mileage and engines by the barrel full. Do You think they will build a glide kit like the big rigs do that I can have my cake and eat it too!!! A new truck with a good ride with great fuel mileage and power!!!!

 

[WilliamBos]

That's exactly the way I see it, too.

All the Titans or Tundras I see rarely have a 1,000lb plow hanging off the front or a scoop full of rocks in the back. They're almost always empty with some white collar clown driving it to work as a commuter car.

No wonder they "last soooo long"

People just get all gushy over Toyota quality. Wonder how they'd fare gettin the snot beat out of 'em in an oil field or a construction site.

I agree.

 

[workinallthetime]

another thing to think about with all the new toys out there is ya they are rated to pull heavy loads now, but this is all new to the rice market in a 1/2 ton truck. How well will they pull with 150k miles on them? I remember the little datsun/nissan truck with 300k miles on them back in the 80's. beat to heck and still running but they had anything hooked to their balls on a everyday basis that was in excess of 5000 lbs.

This competion is the greatest thing for the 1/2 ton truck market, the price of fuel is driving the market to do something about the mpg problem. I read a report that was talking about the toyundra and how it used a 4:30 rear gear to pull that 10k load, imagine what it could do with 3:43 when it comes to mpg. gm will have the 6 speed in the 1/2 ton market in 09 in something besides a deanli which will push the mpg way up.

good luck to you all

 

[Builder]

This competion is the greatest thing for the 1/2 ton truck market, the price of fuel is driving the market to do something about the mpg problem. I read a report that was talking about the toyundra and how it used a 4:30 rear gear to pull that 10k load, imagine what it could do with 3:43 when it comes to mpg. gm will have the 6 speed in the 1/2 ton market in 09 in something besides a deanli which will push the mpg way up.

good luck to you all

Here's something else GM is doing to push the fuel mileage way up

http://www.thedieselgarage.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18677&d=1215899779

http://www.thedieselgarage.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18678&d=1215899779

 

[workinallthetime]

Here's something else GM is doing to push the fuel mileage way up

http://www.thedieselgarage.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18677&d=1215899779

http://www.thedieselgarage.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18678&d=1215899779

from what i have read that is the 5.9 which will have the same demensions as the the 4.8 and 5.3. which means its possible to have something like a diesel impala or g8 or trail blazer or anything else a 5.3 gas engine will fit into.

HMMM CHECK THIS OUT
YouTube - Silverado vs. Tundra Twist Ditch

 

[Builder]

from what i have read that is the 5.9 which will have the same demensions as the the 4.8 and 5.3. which means its possible to have something like a diesel impala or g8 or trail blazer or anything else a 5.3 gas engine will fit into.

HMMM CHECK THIS OUT
YouTube - Silverado vs. Tundra Twist Ditch

It's a 4.5L baby Duramax

Did you see this Chevy G-80 locking rear video?
YouTube - Silverado with Locking Differential (G80)

 

[Patches]

well ya got my 07 gmc crew 4x4 vmax beat in fuel econ but id be more than happy to hook em up hitch to hitch and see who drags who across the parking lot, then we could set em up at the strip and see who gets the best time and after that we can drop drop 10k load on the ball and see who gets there first. ALL the toy air haulers talk big but ive only had one hook up with me and even with 33" tires on mine he didnt have anything for the mighty gmc v-max. truck and a half distance ahead in less than 3 blocks but he was tryin real hard, didnt want any more at the next light. lol
little red hasnt been beat by a toy yet.

I'm way past street racing;did that in the 60's and early 70's along with more than a few trips down the 1/8 and 1/4 mile asphalt ,and 300 ft. sand drags in the 80's, early 90's .The 5.7 along with the low first gear tranny and 4:30 final drive make the "Toy" plenty quick for me plus will tow my 8000+lb trailer/load without breaking a sweat

 

[redneckford]

Gotta see this race trucks with gooseneck/towbehind trailers loaded with tractors and equipment racing on the drag strip. Where can i buy stock shares for this venture!!!!! We don't have time down here we got football practice to attend!!!!

 

[hosejockey2002]

HMMM CHECK THIS OUT
YouTube - Silverado vs. Tundra Twist Ditch

That video proves nothing. My 2WD Silverado wouldn't make it through either. The fact that the neither one of the Tundra's front wheels were spinning obviously proves that the Tundra was in 2WD. Any 4x4 pickup with a competant driver would make it through that ditch easily, as long as the driver remembered to put it in 4WD.

 

[JoeinTX]

"Dodge-Nissan collaborating on Pickups?..."


Interesting.


It was reported week-before-last that if the gas situation didn't improve that Cerebrus Group (the company that bought Chrysler from MB) might consider divesting the company due to poor sales and the resulting costs.

If Dodge and Nissan are going to be collaborating on design and production work, building a working relationship, then it might be really easy and convenient to make such a sale to Nissan.

Nissan could utilize the "Dodge" or "Ram" name for it's full-size trucks/SUVs.....add Jeep to it's line-up......combine their mini-van ops....probably incorporate the best of Chrysler's recent car offerings...trash the rest and make a very good move in the industry.

 

[workinallthetime]

It's a 4.5L baby Duramax

Did you see this Chevy G-80 locking rear video?
YouTube - Silverado with Locking Differential (G80)

its a 4.5 now huh, hmm was rumored to be a 5.9 when i first heard about it. isuzu had a 4.8 and now a 5.2 4 banger model

i had that on my last post i thought guess for some reason it did not make it onto here. I watched gm put the ford and dodge through the same thing at the d-max launch. I will have to watch that vid i posted with the toy and the chev again to see if they are in 4x4 mode. i understood it as a 2 wheel drive thing comparing the rear diffs not as a 4x4 challenge.IF you watch the vid on the 20% grade this is all about the rear end and has nothing to do with the front diff. people dont understand the difference between a locker and posi, i cant remember seeing a 92+ chevy ever having a posi, always lockers. does the toy and tartan have a posi or locker?

 

[workinallthetime]

I'm way past street racing;did that in the 60's and early 70's along with more than a few trips down the 1/8 and 1/4 mile asphalt ,and 300 ft. sand drags in the 80's, early 90's .The 5.7 along with the low first gear tranny and 4:30 final drive make the "Toy" plenty quick for me plus will tow my 8000+lb trailer/load without breaking a sweat

i wasnt saying its not a capable truck i was just answering your 1/2 ton challenge remark. and we will have to add a little rock crawlin, mud action to the fun.

 

[Builder]

That video proves nothing. My 2WD Silverado wouldn't make it through either. The fact that the neither one of the Tundra's front wheels were spinning obviously proves that the Tundra was in 2WD. Any 4x4 pickup with a competant driver would make it through that ditch easily, as long as the driver remembered to put it in 4WD.

I think this video was a demostration of capability in 2WD. Both trucks had no front axle assist when they drove through the ditch.

Maybe this video would make it more clear.

YouTube - Silverado with Locking Differential (G80)

 

[Patches]

i wasnt saying its not a capable truck i was just answering your 1/2 ton challenge remark. and we will have to add a little rock crawlin, mud action to the fun.

Touche', but if you read my original post, the challenge has a fuel mileage caveat. If and when another manufacturer builds a 1/2 ton with a 6.7 (vis-a'-vis my 5.7 versus your 6.2) it will undoubtably fracture your V-Max, at the expense of fuel mileage; my intended objective. I want to do the most "work" for the least cost. Truce Incidentally, there is an e-mail at Toyota/California with my name on it, suggesting it was a major oversight, on their part, bringing this truck to market without a mechanically locking diff

 

[workinallthetime]

Touche', but if you read my original post, the challenge has a fuel mileage caveat. If and when another manufacturer builds a 1/2 ton with a 6.7 (vis-a'-vis my 5.7 versus your 6.2) it will undoubtably fracture your V-Max, at the expense of fuel mileage; my intended objective. I want to do the most "work" for the least cost. Truce Incidentally, there is an e-mail at Toyota/California with my name on it, suggesting it was a major oversight, on their part, bringing this truck to market without a mechanically locking diff

actually my v-max is a 6.0 w/ dod, the wifes 08 denali is a 6.2 w/ a 6 speed. the 6.2/6 speed gets about 5 mpg better than mine and runs like a raped ape. When i ordered my v-max fuel mpg was not something i was conserned about at all, i was building a truck to do the max amount of work with every single option i could get. I checked gm everyday until the 07's were available to be ordered and was in the dealership that morning at 9 am to order the truck. 1st custom order on a v-max in 07 and the 1st one in town. I also had to have something asap due to the lease was up on one of the wifes cars. this is my 3rd 6.0 and they all get from 12-15 mpg, i knew this, but being in a gm service department for as many years as i have been i know you can work one for 200k plus miles everyday and the dont have any major problems.

Next year when gm hangs that 6 speed in the 1/2 tons i expect 25-30 mpg out of a 5.3 v8, in the clasic body style the v-max was a mpg deal, i saw those w/ a 4.8/ extended cab/3:43 rear end/ 2wheel drive getting 27 mpg.

back on topic, there is a red titan by my house that pulls a heck of a boat all over the place and has for at least 2 years, dont know him but he seems to not have any trouble on the hwy or the 2 lanes out by us in those tiny okie hills.