Finding buried pipe

[J_J]

If anyone can find PVC pipe buried in the ground, using this magic, they would certainly have a good future. By the way, does the pipe have to have water in it?

If I told you I could find ten cars buried 5 ft deep, in a two acre field, after the ground had been smoothed and planted with grass, would anybody believe it. Well, using this yellow magic stick that I have, I can locate each one of them every time and even blindfolded, and I can let anybody use this electronic stick to find them every time.

Dousing, I believe they also call this witching, I wonder why.

How many of you have put those magnets around your gas lines, hoping for miracles?

 

[SpringHollow]

Why is it that the non-believers seem to have more to prove than the people who do believe it works? Most of the people who believe in it were skeptics originally until they either saw it done, or did it themselves.

I'm a scientific person by nature. But, I will admit that there are things in this world that science cannot explain.

There are plenty of things where science can not explain or explains incorrectly. The problem with divining/witching is that it is pretty trivial to prove or disprove in a variety of ways and yet i know of know instance where it has been proven successfully.

In HS, a teacher ran some garden hoses across a field. We were told to turn on and off the hose at random and he would tell us whether water was running through them or not. Blindfolded, he used his diving rods and was right 100% of the time. We were quite impressed until he told us he could hear the hose bib squeak when it was being turned. He was lucky they were not ball valves When i knew the water was running, i was successful 100% of the time in having the rods turn as i crossed the garden hose, random when i knew it was off. But when i did not know, the results were basicaly random when standard deviations were taken into account. It was a neat experiment for HS.

But burying extremely long hoses below sound level would make for an easy test, even marking them as was mentioned earlier.

I can think of reasons why divining could possibly work but it should be reproducable (and i do not even mean 100%) by someone who professes to be able to do it.

Ken

 

[/pine]

Dousing, I believe they also call this witching, I wonder why.

by definition of the word (witching) means to "practice witchcraft"...
....what do you think the same people that burned those thought to practice witchcraft would think of your "yellow magic stick" ?

How many of you have put those magnets around your gas lines, hoping for miracles?

Don't know anything about magnets on gas lines...but...I know for a fact that at one residence I own...hooked up to municipal water if I clean a toilet bowl within two weeks there is a mineral ring around the bowl at the water level...with magnets on the water pipe at the service valve....the mineral rings never form... take the magnets off and the ring is back...
as they say..."the proof is in the pudding"

 

[Dargo]

That TV show may be entertaining to many but in fact those two clowns have never "busted" any myth period...
They may have come to some conclusions from their own antics but that is as far as it goes....

Are you really saying that you believe in sticks and bent welding rods locating water lines but not scientific principles??? Please tell me that you are kidding! A scientific principle is based upon a specific set of actions that create a consistent and measurable outcome each time that action is performed. If you get different results, your hypothesis is wrong or you are not performing the exact same action. Walking around with sticks and bent welding rods fail this litmus test. I suppose I look at that method of finding water, oil or buried lines the same way I look at ouija boards.

 

[J_J]

This is my yellow stick.

ML-1M Magnetic Locator [ML-1M] - $965.00 : SubSurface Instruments Inc

It will not find water, but if I believe hard enough, maybe.

 

[biggerten]

When it comes to using sticks or rods...the ability to hold something with little or no friction takes an art...

There are a lot fewer folks that can use a tree brance than can find some success with metal rods...perhaps because they are easier to hold without restraining them...

You must have not read the earlier post about different wood responds differently, some 'twist the bark' off the response is so great. So tell me again about friction? And how this magical force responds to different types of wood, steel, brass, oh yeah, it makes penduliums swing differently, yada yada yada.

It makes sticks bend, rods cross, pendulums swing.

WHY DON"T THESE WITCHERS GO GET THEIR EASY MILLION DOLLARS!

I know why. They're afraid of ghosts, bigfoot, and capture by aliens piloting UFO's. And Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Great Pumpkin and the Tooth Fairy.

 

[/pine]

This is my yellow stick.

ML-1M Magnetic Locator [ML-1M] - $965.00 : SubSurface Instruments Inc

And my point was...how do you think the people at the end of the 1600's would react to your magic stick...before anyone understood the principals behind it? methinks they would have toasted you...

You must have not read the earlier post about different wood responds differently, some 'twist the bark'...

You must be the type that throws the baby out with the bath water...
Who is to say that one person's ability to channel energy is more acute than others...I already stated that there are much fewer dowsers that use wood than use rods..
FYI, FWIW...( just an example) different kinds of wood will conduct electricty at different rates depending on the moisture content...
If you think that everyone that has ever found anything dowsing with wood or metal is either lying or faking...you really should seek therapy...

... you believe in sticks and bent welding rods locating water lines but not scientific principles???

How in the heck did you come up with that? I never said or implied anything of the like...!

 

[timswi]

Well..When I built my house, my well driller suggested that I have this 90 year old dude come out with his divining rods to locate the well ...He walked around the property with those things until he starting getting movement in the rods...He smacked himself so hard in the you know whats, that I felt the pain..No way he was acting as his reflexes couldn't have been that good...Anyway, he found a well site that produced 15GPM and the driller couldn't bail it..7 years later and I can fill my hot tub and do anything else without giving water a second thought.

He had me try to do it as he said there arn't many around that do this any more...Didn't work for me.

At a bonfire up the road we began discussing this topic...The township road foreman said that they use two straightened coat hangers to find underground pipe...He showed me how it worked...i was a little doubtful...He handed the contraption to me and showed me where the pipes were, and I walked to them. As soon as I got within 18" of the pipe, the rods started to pull downward...Cant expain it, but it did work...And no, the amount of beer in my system had nothing to do with it.

 

[J_J]

Read this and tell me how much you believe. They will even teach you how to dowse for $90

IntuiveDowsing.com - The Alicja Centre of Well-Being Dowsing Site | How To Dowse | Pendulum, Dowsing, Question, Which, Movement

Come on, get real

 

[/pine]

using a pendulum is an entirely different art even if if does possibly rely on the same unseen energies...

It is all about "channeling" energy...do you doubt the power of crystals? granted some believe they hold more power than is acknowleged by mainstream science but they do prove that a non-metalic element can channel electrical wavelengths...

Again I have to cite the 'String Theory'...it basically says that all matter is made up of "strings of energy" all humming at their own frequencies...

just for argument's sake...let's say that the string theory is basically sound (or even partially right)...if the elements that make up PVC pipe are "stringing" along at their own frequency...and the earth where the PVC is burried is humming (expression) at a different frequency...it is not unjust to think that one day there will be another type of "magic stick" that will indicate the differences in frequencies thus showing where plastic pipes are burried...

 

[biggerten]

Then every tree growing by a river or lake should tip right in....................channeling all that energy.

How come not even one of all these idjits that crawl out of the woodwork claiming they can dowse don't go collect the million bucks?

How come Shell, Exxon, etc. spend millions using scientifically proven methods instead of giving some rube with a stick a 12 pack?

 

[/pine]

Then every tree growing by a river or lake should tip right in...channeling all that energy

If you can't comprehend the theory you can't be expected to believe the concept.
If you have to go to the extreme to support your argument....you have no argument...

It's like I've said...I really don't expect anyone to believe that there is something to it until they prove it to themselves...


as for your over the top excuse about trees along a river etc...since it's been pointed out that not everyone that tries it is capable of being successful this would indicate that we are talking about something that is only strong enough for the very sensitive to recognize...
...I'll bet even you can see a potted tomato plant grow in the direction that it gets the most sun from (turn it around and watch it grow the other way)...

The reason trees grow up is...the influience of the sun is perhaps thousands or even millions of times greater than that of other forces...

Ever seen an old building, roof or deck etc...notice that the nails have backed out some? (I'm not talking about the wood shrinking around the nails) what do you suppose causes that?

[lets visit 6th grade science fair]

Take a plastic cup (like a Tupperware cup etc) and rub the bottom of it on a flannel shirt several times real fast...now at the kitchen sink run the water so the stream is about the diameter of a pencil...move the bottom corner of the cup toward the stream...the "energy" in the cup will bend the stream of water without touching it...

Take a lemon (organic) and stick a piece of copper (natural element) in one side and a piece of zinc (natural element) in the other and hook a volt meter across the the two metals and it will indicate a positive reading...

Both are basic examples of unseen forces that exist everywhere in nature...are the skeptics so naive to think we have mastered every force that exists?, that there is nothing yet to discover ?

Apples were falling off of trees long before Newton figured out why...

just curious...how well do you understand the fact that the farther away you get from the Earth the less effect gravity has on you? I mean really understand..not just know that it happens...?

better yet...how well do you understand the fact that the faster one moves the slower time moves...?

 

[SpringHollow]

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Ever seen an old building, roof or deck etc...notice that the nails have backed out some? (I'm not talking about the wood shrinking around the nails) what do you suppose causes that?

That would be because the wood shrinks as it dries/ages but the nail does not. Sometimes wind and vibration from use can also do that.

Ken

 

[/pine]

Did I mention I was not talking about the wood shrinking around the nails?

I see decks all the time where nails are sticking up as much as 1/2 inch where the 2x decking maybe has lost 3/32 in thickness...

Ask any roofer about nails that come up through the shingles...roofing nails that do not get any purchase (go down in a crack etc) will work their way right up through the shingle...

 

[Egon]

How come Shell, Exxon, etc. spend millions using scientifically proven methods instead of giving some rube with a stick a 12 pack?

Maybe they do at times!

 

[zeuspaul]

***How come Shell, Exxon, etc. spend millions using scientifically proven methods instead of giving some rube with a stick a 12 pack?***

Exxon does employ dowsers. The major oil company I referred to in a previous post was Exxon. The dowser was locating underground pipelines. If he didn't produce I doubt he would have been on the payroll for long. Exxon is about as conservative as they come.

Zeuspaul

 

[timswi]

Wow, there's some hostility on this thread..I think we need a group hug

 

[biggerten]

***How come Shell, Exxon, etc. spend millions using scientifically proven methods instead of giving some rube with a stick a 12 pack?***

Exxon does employ dowsers. The major oil company I referred to in a previous post was Exxon. The dowser was locating underground pipelines. If he didn't produce I doubt he would have been on the payroll for long. Exxon is about as conservative as they come.

Zeuspaul

Nobody answers this question, they postulate on some unseen misunderstood 'force'. How come the idjits don't go get their easy million bucks?

Here's the answer. They know they'll be proven fakes. That's an unseen force that holds them back.

As for Exxon employing dowsers, puh-leeze. If they think it works, why all the millions of dollars spent on proven methods, when they know of an easy and cheap one?

Now, I'm done here, I'm going to go dowse me up the winning lottery ticket.

 

[veresjwv]

Hey you guys..... how about my question about watermelons a whole bunch of quotes back. What makes the straw rotate!

 

[/pine]

...How come the idjits...

referring to others as "idjits" (what you mean is "idiots") because you do not believe in something that they know for a fact works (at least to some degree) says more about your own intellectual depth than it does about those you disparage by name calling...

BTW how about answering my question about how well you understand the fact that the farther one gets from the center of the Earth the slower time moves? huh?