FUEL PROBLEMS with Ethonal
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good luck my friend. one hopes as this problem continues, additives will improve. quik use turnover, reliable supplier, & good additives hopefully will be your friends. good to talk to someone w/o the political agenda.
GreenheadRecycle
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http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo...anol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada
Did you notice New Jersey isn't even on the list of states...
Did you notice New Jersey isn't even on the list of states...
DarkBlack
Elite Member
The fact that we're not even allowed to choose ethanol gas or real gas, like choosing octane ratings, or choosing 2% or whole milk... it's so, so very wrong.
GreenheadRecycle
Member
My 2 cents. I use gas with a shot of Sea Foam now and again and have NO problems.
I find ethanal gas works only if you use the machine often.
If it sits for more than a couple of weeks your in trouble. Drain it and run her dry is all I can say if you have to leave it sit.
I find ethanal gas works only if you use the machine often.
If it sits for more than a couple of weeks your in trouble. Drain it and run her dry is all I can say if you have to leave it sit.
Copperhead
Veteran Member
What subsidies? All subsidies targeted at ethanol have been eliminated for a few years now. Now, oil.... they still get some subsidies that they have gotten for over a century. Why are you not crying foul over the oil companies getting taxpayer money? Subsidies are actual money transfers to an entity. There is no such animal for the ethanol folks now, and hasn't been for a few years now.
Since ethanol has no more subsidies, and it is selling for a roughly a dollar less on the Chicago Board of Trade (you know., commodity central) than gasoline is, then the ethanol folks must really be losing their shirt. And even with government mandates, the price of the stuff is still what it is on the board of trade. The producer is only going to get what the market says they are going to get.
Now if you think a reduction in tax for ethanol producers is a subsidy, that would be wrong. It is called cost of doing business and an expense. All expenses are written off. Be it those guys or the local plumber, or any other business. It is done on the schedule C on the 1040. But I would go along with not letting ethanol producers get to write off their business expenses, if everyone also gives up their dependent deduction, child care tax credit, mortgage interest deduction, medical cost deductions, etc, etc. They have a name for that. Wait a minute, it will come to me..... oh yeah, it is called the Fair Tax.
George2615
Super Member
Here in NY the Nice and Easy stores have non-ethanol fuel but it is hi test or super. Not available in regular so to get it you have to pay the well over $4.00 a gallon. I use it in my Classic cars and My 2012 Camaro requires Super or high octane gas. My riding mower (JD) and gas generator / welder run fine on the regular with ethanol.
And, according to buyrealgas.com there are no stations in NJ that sell non-ethanol. It says it may be due to state regulations. You'll have to go to PA or NY to get non ethanol.
And, according to buyrealgas.com there are no stations in NJ that sell non-ethanol. It says it may be due to state regulations. You'll have to go to PA or NY to get non ethanol.
GreenheadRecycle
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George2615 Your small motors may run fine with ethanol but they won't for long. If they sit, the fuel will absorb water from the air. That's what ethanol does when exposed to air. Run real gas in all small motors, outboards, chainsaws etc. Ask any repair shop and they will tell you 98% of all small motor problems are fuel related and caused by guess what... They love it. Here in WI the repair shops are backed up two weeks now.
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I think ethanol is crap as well and just another American hoax like fluoride added to our drinking water. Why are we adding silica fluoride which is a residual by product from fertilizer production to water when calcium fluoride occurs naturally? Because someone can make a buck from waste product. You think we have the highway system we do for the Good of America? We have the hwy system we have because General Motors wanted to sell more cars pure and simple as mass transit was a giant threat to this. You think we need a product that burns 10-15% less efficient than gasoline because its good for the environment? We have ethanol because of the proliferation of profit it provides garnered by agricultural lobby groups. How do you think our senators and congressman come out so well to do after they serve?
With you there Cuhead.
I'd like to see a lot more public NatGas stations - most of Canada/USA has plenty of NG available, and it's the cleanest burning hydrocarbon there is. With better personal cash flow, I'd already have a home NG compressor station installed, and a relatively (by my standards
) late model NG vehicle in the driveway.I personally resent being compelled to buy ethanol tainted gasoline.
At the same time, I've seen enough of the world to appreciate that whatever lobbying the Corn growers do, it's choirboy stuff compared to what Big Oil has been up to, for longer than I've been around. Like the frog in the pan of rising temperature water.... we've been conditioned to not notice Big Oil.... Pay no attention, to the Man behind the Curtain....
Buy Efree gas if you can find it; if not, use one of the quality additives named esp. in low use equipment.
Rgds, D.
DarkBlack
Elite Member
Get real.
We're not even allowed to buy straight gas without buying crap ethanol. That's the greatest form of subsidy that can exist.
DarkBlack
Elite Member
It's really, really, simple.
Let consumers have a choice at all gas stations, for all people. Those who want ethanol laced gas can buy that. Those who want 100% real gas can buy real gas at another pump. The market will work itself out.
That's how a free country, and a free market would work.
Let consumers have a choice at all gas stations, for all people. Those who want ethanol laced gas can buy that. Those who want 100% real gas can buy real gas at another pump. The market will work itself out.
That's how a free country, and a free market would work.
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I agree it's that simple but for one thing: If someone or group is government connected and they stand a chance to profit, there goes the free enterprise system. One cannot speak of this crap without attaching a political agenda because it's already attached like a Siamese twin. If sensibilities and logic fail to apply, then it's political and the market is "engineered" and not free..
Copperhead
Veteran Member
I am real. Mandate to buy the stuff does not mean a subsidy. The producers are still at the mercy of the market exchange price for their product. It is not like they can set the price just because you have to buy it. They can only get what the market buyer will pay for it, and no subsidies. You are required to buy license plates, but that doesn't set the price for aluminum. Many folks are required to get building permits to add a deck to their house, but that doesn't set the price for wood.
Copperhead
Veteran Member
I am real. Mandate to buy the stuff does not mean a subsidy. The producers are still at the mercy of the market exchange price for their product. It is not like they can set the price just because you have to buy it. They can only get what the market buyer will pay for it, and no subsidies. You are required to buy license plates, but that doesn't set the price for aluminum. Many folks are required to get building permits to add a deck to their house, but that doesn't set the price for wood.
A mandate to use the stuff doesn't dictate who makes it. It can come from Iowa or Brazil or any number of places. And it is a business. If there isn't going to be a profit, then no one will brew it. And profit margins are not a big as you might think.
DarkBlack
Elite Member
Webster dictionary:
"Financial assistance, either through direct payments or through indirect means such as price cuts and favourable contracts,
to a person or group in order to promote a public objective."
Forcing gasoline buyers to also have to buy ethanol with their gasoline purchase, is an "indirect means" to provide "Financial assistance" to the ethanol industry.
My previous statements stand correct.
Copperhead
Veteran Member
Well, apply that to the oil companies and such then. Apply it to whomever you choose. One thing is, you are not forced to buy anything. You choose to. You can ride a bicycle if you want. I suggest if you are having a seizure over this stuff, that you boycott all internal combustion engines and retrograde to the 19th century. Then you will find something else to bellyache about.
That is the major flaw in your argument anyway. You claim you are having this forced on you. No you aren't. No one in the government told you that you had to buy a gasoline vehicle. There are VW's and a lot of other vehicles that run on diesel or electricity. If this ethanol thing is going to chap your hide, then just don't buy it. Problem solved! You are not out anything since you won't be buying it, and you are not having your money taken from you and given to the ethanol producers. Now, wasn't this solution easy?
You can buy diesel lawn mowers, UTV's and a host of other things. You could be gasoline free if you chose to, then you can laugh at all of us that still buy it. You will feel better and not risk blowing a gasket over this. It is like the patient who went to the doctor and said, "doc, it hurts when I do this". Doc replies, "well then, don't do that!"
That is the major flaw in your argument anyway. You claim you are having this forced on you. No you aren't. No one in the government told you that you had to buy a gasoline vehicle. There are VW's and a lot of other vehicles that run on diesel or electricity. If this ethanol thing is going to chap your hide, then just don't buy it. Problem solved! You are not out anything since you won't be buying it, and you are not having your money taken from you and given to the ethanol producers. Now, wasn't this solution easy?
You can buy diesel lawn mowers, UTV's and a host of other things. You could be gasoline free if you chose to, then you can laugh at all of us that still buy it. You will feel better and not risk blowing a gasket over this. It is like the patient who went to the doctor and said, "doc, it hurts when I do this". Doc replies, "well then, don't do that!"
Bota4me
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problem is i cant find a diesel chainsaw, dirtbike or weed wacker!! Lol
You've got the basic concept. I bought a test tube kit that tests for the percent of ethanol in gasoline so I knew if I was getting too much ethanol. The way it works is you add water to the tube and then add fuel. It super saturates the fuel and all the ethanol combines with the water and drops to the bottom (not the top). It's easy to see in a clear container and you can then drain the water/ethanol from the container if you've got a drain on the bottom of the jug.
After a quick google search I found this video. My test tube and procedure looks the same. You can see how quickly the ethanol drops out with the water. Ethanol Testing - YouTube
