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This cracks me up when I hear it. Your family car along with every piece of modern machinery including all the new tractors and heavy machinery coming out today are welded with guess what.... CNC MIG.
This cracks me up when I hear it. Your family car along with every piece of modern machinery including all the new tractors and heavy machinery coming out today are welded with guess what.... CNC MIG.
I don't know how much vicashoe knows about industrial welding, but if his entire exposure to MIG welding is confined to low penetration "short arc", then I wouldn't wonder at his not using MIG for a backhoe.
True enough, stick welding has been eclipsed by the various MIG processes in virtually every industry that utilizes heavy structural welding, leaving stick to do the job where greater portability is required.
Having said that though, a MIG welder that will equal an AC buzzbox, in terms of penetration and duty cycle, will cost many times what you'll pay for the buzzbox or for the small "suitcase size" MIGs.
I don't know how much vicashoe knows about industrial welding, but if his entire exposure to MIG welding is confined to low penetration "short arc", then I wouldn't wonder at his not using MIG for a backhoe.
True enough, stick welding has been eclipsed by the various MIG processes in virtually every industry that utilizes heavy structural welding, leaving stick to do the job where greater portability is required.
Having said that though, a MIG welder that will equal an AC buzzbox, in terms of penetration and duty cycle, will cost many times what you'll pay for the buzzbox or for the small "suitcase size" MIGs.
Hi Tow,
All true just as long as we don't attempt to establish the premise that stick has better penetration.
Is a stick welder cheaper? Initially yes, but consumables over time I'm not sure.
In the long run it's hard to beat a 220 volt Miller or Lincoln MIG for power and arc. They are beautiful machines.
All true just as long as we don't attempt to establish the premise that stick has better penetration.
Is a stick welder cheaper? Initially yes, but consumables over time I'm not sure.
In the long run it's hard to beat a 220 volt Miller or Lincoln MIG for power and arc. They are beautiful machines.
Spudland_Dave
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I dunno about that part of the equation...Gut feeling says consumables are about the same either way, heck maybe even MORE expensive for a mig..
-Wire
-Shielding Gas (And Tank Lease if you dont own the tank)
-Tips
-Drive Rolls
-Liners/Sleeves
Just to name a few off the top of my head. With a stick...just buy the electrodes...
You might be right. My argument isn't about cost it's about the process. I can weld everything down to to 24G. Can you do that with stick? I do thin stainless and aluminum down to 1/8 inch with a spool gun. Can you do that with stick? No. Those are the types of welding I do and MIG works well for them. Is TIG or other processes better in certain apps? Yes but overall MIG has the versatility and flexibility that I need.
Penetration problems? Learn how to weld or go jump in a bucket of Viagra, it's a dead horse.
wldrbob
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rusty steel, out of position work or outside=stick. inside, new steel,flat position=mig light steel,aluminum and out of position depends on your skill level. can be done with either. mig is usualy easier but i can weld 24 gauge with a1/16 stick and aluminum with 3/32 or 1/8 aluminum rods. that said i would rather use my mig .grind out your edges and you will get satifactory results with either
David Devuono
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You guys are missing the most important part. With a stick welder you have to unplug the wifes stove and run a cord in through the kitchen window, My Mig works off a 20 amp 110V outlet!
lol
lol
Iplayfarmer
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I've heard stories from the original farmers in the area about dimming the lights on a whole square mile block when they went to strike an arc.
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Man this is a 'tough-crowd'! Nicely built, VS!!!! One of theses days, someone will set up a Cage-Match thread, for stick vs wire machines! And, DD, I paralleled into my range circuit to an outside outlet to save moving the stove! Just gotta make sure the missus isn't cooking! Nothing but 'high-class' over here!!! 
~Scotty
~Scotty