How many "TnT" owners

[MtnViewRanch]

Pine, no one gets custom cylinders made. A standard cylinder is used with modified ends. Yes you can swap your side links around. Most likely you will need a 2" cylinder with a 4" stroke and you have it easy since you already have the factory ends to weld on.

 

[/pine]

Pine, I think that usually the manually adjusted side link is kept on so that the 3pt can be adjusted so that the hydraulic side link is at 1/2 of its stroke when a rear blade (any blade) is mounted. That way you always have an equal amount of tilt available left or right. It is difficult to have a hydraulic tilt that would just fit on and be exactly at the half way point. You usually have to do some adjustment of the manually adjusted side link to end up this way. This manual adjustment should normally be 1/2" or less.[/quote

OK, does this mean...because ( Let's Say) my side links (adjustable right, solid left) are unique to their perspective sides...that to have an optomized setup...I will need to power the left side replacing the solid rod so I still have the adjustable on the right?

 

[/pine]

Pine, no one gets custom cylinders made. A standard cylinder is used with modified ends. Yes you can swap your side links around. Most likely you will need a 2" cylinder with a 4" stroke and you have it easy since you already have the factory ends to weld on.

OK good to know...I kept seeing "custon cylinders" when I was looking at T& T kits and I figured that there was not too much to customize other than the ends...

 

[jenkinsph]

Pine, you can put the hydraulics on either side or both. Fitting the clevis to work is an easy task for anyone in this business.



MtViewRanch,

No problems with full tilt, this is with the left adjuster wound up short and the hydraulic cylinder on the right fully extended. Here are some old pics of my boxblade in the full tilt position, normally I would use the rear blade in this configuration.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Steve,(is that ok?) what is your normal configuration, how do you have your side links set? I think that Rob has 8" or 10" stroke cylinders, I wonder if he has any problems. Here is a pic of mine in full tilt with the side links set at the 1/2 way point for the hydraulic. I'm guessing that I have a total range of movement a little over 2' in this configuration.

 

[jenkinsph]

Brian,

I have the plane on my tractor right now and will take some pictures in the daylight tomorrow with the adjustable links in the various positions for you. It is a little to dark right now.

 

[jnjpream]

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/145306-1000-tnt-dual-tilt-bx22.html

I use it all the time for working on my landscaping. And especially while plowing snow since the blade on my back blade was welded on crooked .

A dual tilt is almost maditory for a BX if you want to use normal sized implements.. Helps get them up off the ground.

 

[mjncad]

I will be adding T & T in the Spring...I am currently accumulating the parts...

On some setups I see the hydraulic cylinder on the right sides (normally where the manually adjustable link is)...leaving the non-adjustable link on the left side...

...In other cases I have seen the cylinder on the left leaving the adjustable link on the right... in others I have seen the cylinder on the right with the manually adjustable link moved to the left side...

Is this just personal preference? Is there any advantage to leaving a manually adjustable link on the opposite side from the hyd. ?

It's personal preference.

 

[mjncad]

Mostly personal preference, but I find it easier to look over my right shoulder to work a rear implement. So with the tilt cylinder on the right side works for me. The best way to go and what I am fixing to do is have tilt cylinders on both side where they oppose each other. That way you get the full range of tilt in either direction. As simple as adding another tilt cylinder and a couple of hoses.

Is this what you have in mind? http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/hydraulics/161377-hydraulic-side-link-idea-am.html

 

[jenkinsph]

Is this what you have in mind? http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/hydraulics/161377-hydraulic-side-link-idea-am.html

Close, but I was going to try this with the matching cylinders in series. My concern about placing them in parallel is that when the valve is in nuetral and the cylinder ports are locked that you still have the oil free to circulate between the cylinders.

I am hoping that with the cylinders in series and all air bled from the system that the cylinders will be locked in place when the cylinder valve is in nuetral position.

Did you ever try this and what did you find?

 

[Specop_007]

WOW!

I've never heard of doing this, but thats really cool. I dont understand 3 pt enough to know the inner workings. When you install this then what becomes the position on your normal factory pto level? How do you keep from having, for example, your factory 3 pt in the lowest position and the hydraulics in the highest position and end up breaking something?

 

[killdozerd11]

I have a hydraulic top link and (2) hydraulic side links.
They are all independently controlled. I use them all frequently since I do almost every kind of dirt work with my trusty boxblade. I installed everything myself. Below are photos of the side links. Both of them have DPOCV's (double pilot operated check valves) to insure they remain locked in the position I set them, until I move them. The range of motion with two hydraulic side links is tremendous.
Rob-



Here is a video of what the top link and side links can do with the boxblade on...

My father and i set up a ford 3550 like that for grading
It works very good for contour grading sort of like a blade

 

[jnjpream]

WOW!

I've never heard of doing this, but thats really cool. I dont understand 3 pt enough to know the inner workings. When you install this then what becomes the position on your normal factory pto level? How do you keep from having, for example, your factory 3 pt in the lowest position and the hydraulics in the highest position and end up breaking something?

Specop_007, The lower arms just hang from the side links regardless if the side links are hydraulic or not. And the lower arms are free and independent of each other so one can go up while the other goes down due to change in the side link length. Only the lift arms connected to the top of the side links are joined to move in unison. So unless you install side links that are too short or too long, you shouldn't break anything..

 

[mjncad]

Close, but I was going to try this with the matching cylinders in series. My concern about placing them in parallel is that when the valve is in nuetral and the cylinder ports are locked that you still have the oil free to circulate between the cylinders.

I am hoping that with the cylinders in series and all air bled from the system that the cylinders will be locked in place when the cylinder valve is in nuetral position.

Did you ever try this and what did you find?

Heeding the advice of the hydraulics experts, I've abandoned the idea.

 

[jenkinsph]

Well after a little research the easiest way to handle two cylinders is with a rephasing cylinder arrangement. Using double acting cylinders and two way valve the base of each cylinder is plumbed to the valve and the two rod end ports are connected together. Check valves are also used. Setup this way the cylinders can both move equal amounts (assuming the cylinders are the same size bore, stroke and rod size) . With this method there is no need to have a fixed connection between the two cylinders to keep them syncronized. The two cylinders move together not independently, while one is retracting the other is extending at an equal rate. The advantage is that you get a full range of motion to the hitch arms, tilting the implement in both directions the maximum amount.

 

[Dave5264]

Wow, thats very cool, great Video. I can see how useful that would be doing alot of Box Balde work.

Thanks for fueling my "Iron Fever".

 

[Specop_007]

Ok I went out and looked at my 3 pt on the back. Makes perfect sense how it operates. Funny how sometimes we just dont pay any attention to the how in the operation of something.

 

[mjncad]

Well after a little research the easiest way to handle two cylinders is with a rephasing cylinder arrangement. Using double acting cylinders and two way valve the base of each cylinder is plumbed to the valve and the two rod end ports are connected together. Check valves are also used. Setup this way the cylinders can both move equal amounts (assuming the cylinders are the same size bore, stroke and rod size) . With this method there is no need to have a fixed connection between the two cylinders to keep them syncronized. The two cylinders move together not independently, while one is retracting the other is extending at an equal rate. The advantage is that you get a full range of motion to the hitch arms, tilting the implement in both directions the maximum amount.

Can you post a flow diagram sketch? I'm a visual person, and understand graphics in technical issues better than textual descriptions.

Thanks,

 

[jenkinsph]

Here it is,


Rephasing Type Hydraulic Cylinders by Energy Manufacturing Company, Inc.

 

[mjncad]

Thanks Steve, I will study it further to see if this is something that may work for me.

Matt