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MIsatoh

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I picked up a Hanson General Products 62.5" skidsteer snowblower at the auction and I cant find much info about it. I have a Massey Ferguson 1734e (27hp at pto)& I'm looking to get a pto pump & resevoir to run it. I was able to find info on the hydraulic motor that runs the fan/gear box/auger, it is a 3.6 cu in Char-Lynn: 2000 psi, 15gpm, 962rpm. So, does this mean I can run a 7.62cu in 16.6gpm (540rpm) hydraulic pto pump, with a 15 gal resevoir and have enough power to throw snow 30-40'? 20190703_093516.jpg
 

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Landpride also made the HRS18, which only requires 28hp to make 17gpm @ 540rpm (not sure of psi, but I only need 2000), If I could find a used one cheap enough, I would just buy one of these power packs, but I can build one (with a smaller res.-20gal & no cooler) cheaper. I just want to make sure, before spending the time and money, that will be enough to run the equipment I have (specs in the 1st post)
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Landpride also made the HRS18, which only requires 28hp to make 17gpm @ 540rpm (not sure of psi, but I only need 2000), If I could find a used one cheap enough, I would just buy one of these power packs, but I can build one (with a smaller res.-20gal & no cooler) cheaper. I just want to make sure, before spending the time and money, that will be enough to run the equipment I have (specs in the 1st post)
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The same calculation results. 15/17*28HP=25 HP or much more than you have.

Better to sell the blower designed for a skid steer to someone with a skid steer.

Dave M7040
 
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"The same calculation results. 15/17*28HP=25 HP or much more than you have"
Doesn't this mean I only need 25-28hp? I have a 34hp tractor, 27 at the pto...

"Better to sell the blower designed for a skid steer to someone with a skid steer"
^That's what I was thinking

Thanks and Happy 4th of July!!!
 
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I looked very seriously at this type of setup for my 38hp CUT. If the motor on the blower was sized right and you had the proper PTO pump with enough capacity and cooling the “book” says it would work. However, after much research I couldn’t find anyone who had done it or thought it was a good idea.

You have the right idea and so far you aren’t into it much. The right sized motor and pump and LOTS of cooling and fluid capacity.......you may have something that works. But it’s more of an experiment than a sure thing-IMHO
 
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I see one guy on here has done it, but he bought the expensive "power pack kit", where it was already put together on a 3pt. I would like to keep it under a grand & maybe build it on a existing backblade, so I could still drag snow in front of the garages, etc.
 
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If budget was the main driver I’d get a small engine and mount it to the blower and convert it to chain/belt drive. I’ve seen a guy do that on here and he was having good results.
 
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Misatoh
Char-Lynn usually have a chart in there data sheets showing actual flow vs RPM & also torque vs pressure.
If you can find that chart it will provide more accurate information on the motor performance. Flow vs RPM you have listed is at 100% volumetric efficiency.

Depending on the design you can build yourself a less expensive system that will work. The unknown is how well it will works. Type of snow is a big factor on how well a blower works.

For reference a very good hydraulic drive is only 80 - 85% efficient under load.

Suspect you will need to size the pump for 17 - 18 GPM or possibly more to maintain hydraulic motor speed under load
 
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my char lynn powered front blower runs at 3,000 psi, 15 GPM and uses all of my 45 HP tractor to power it. Has a 25 gal reservoir tank. WAY over $1,000. Wait till you price out a PTO pump motor. Its my understanding most skid steers operate at 3,000 psi.... but i may be wrong
 
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My blower is only 62.5" & the Char Lynn is rated at 2000 psi/15gpm, so I was hopeing to be good with a $350 pump, with the same psi & 16.6gpm output???
 
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My blower is only 62.5" & the Char Lynn is rated at 2000 psi/15gpm, so I was hopeing to be good with a $350 pump, with the same psi & 16.6gpm output???
I think you are going to be very unhappy with anything you build for that small of a tractor, IF you want it to really have enough power to run "right"...

SR
 
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An additional thought to my previous comments, if you are using every HP your tractor has to power the pto driven hydraulics, you wont have any power left to move the tractor.

Dave M7040
 
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2,000psi is likely the minimum pressure required. It would not throw snow 30’, maybe half that if it’s light and fluffy.

I (and MANY others) have also had this same idea when I first got my tractor. I thought it would be so nice to mount the blower on the FEL (even thought I could use SS brush hog on the FEL as well).
However, the more you learn about hydraulic hp vs mechanical PTO hp, and the simplicity and cost of PTO vs hydraulic, it quickly becomes apparent that there are very few situations where a hydraulic blower on a tractor is a better idea than a PTO.

For example, a 16gpm pump, at 2,000psi would provide (ideally) 18.7hp. So assuming your 27pto hp could power this blower, you are using all 27hp to power a hydraulic system that creates, at best, 18.7hp.
I say “ideally” because this doesn’t account for friction in the hoses or heat loss. So in reality it’s even less.

If I read this right, you are still planning on using the blower on the rear 3 point hitch???? If this is the case, then you should really consider selling this blower, and buying a PTO blower, you could probably sell/buy with no loss, maybe even make some money!

A PTO powered rear blower is cheap, simple, and considerably more power. You could throw snow WAY farther, and also not clog the chute as easy!!!
 
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As an added note, even the very high pressure that Grsthegreat’s setup has (which is an awesome setup) only produces a hydraulic hp of 26.3hp. This setup costs about $10,000.

The Landpride HRS18 produces 17gpm at 2,000psi according to the owners manual. This equals 19.8hp
What would you be happier with, 19.8hp at your snowblower, or 27hp at your snowblower?

Again, I had the same thoughts when I first started out, so I’m not knocking the idea, just trying to explain what I’ve learned about the same process.
 
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I was going to use it as a front mount, it was a spur of the moment buy (price was right), then after reading everyone's threads, it got me thinking it might not be that easy. So looks like I will just sell it, already have a couple people interested. Thanks everyone!
 

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