HalseyGreen
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Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt
RobS. - Yes, one and the same kit.
RobS. - Yes, one and the same kit.
Hydraulic Tip 'N Tilt
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Bird
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Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt
RobertN, that's just one of the problems I have; all the valves I've seen were so darned big. But now LarryT (who lives in California; don't know how far from you) has posted pictures of exactly what I want. I still have a couple of questions that I'm hoping he'll answer, and I'm trying to talk a dealer in another part of the country into putting a "kit" together like that. And I'm betting he'll come up with something, but if not, I'm going to have to find out who LarryT's dealer is and contact them. Got to have that tip 'n tilt before warm weather gets here.
Bird
RobertN, that's just one of the problems I have; all the valves I've seen were so darned big. But now LarryT (who lives in California; don't know how far from you) has posted pictures of exactly what I want. I still have a couple of questions that I'm hoping he'll answer, and I'm trying to talk a dealer in another part of the country into putting a "kit" together like that. And I'm betting he'll come up with something, but if not, I'm going to have to find out who LarryT's dealer is and contact them. Got to have that tip 'n tilt before warm weather gets here.
Bird
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Bird
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Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt
Harv, I don't know whether all the Kubotas have the extra port. This is another case of the workshop manual showing there to be an optional hydraulic block, but no mention of where. But the parts manual exploded view shows about where; on the right side, below the seat. It has a diamond shaped or square "cap" with an O-Ring and held on by two bolts that can be removed and replaced by the hydraulic outlet kit.
And yep, I'm learning a lot from the forum, Harv. Gerald has a nice set-up on his tractor, but it's an "L" series and it looks like LarryT has exactly what I've been looking for.
Bird
Harv, I don't know whether all the Kubotas have the extra port. This is another case of the workshop manual showing there to be an optional hydraulic block, but no mention of where. But the parts manual exploded view shows about where; on the right side, below the seat. It has a diamond shaped or square "cap" with an O-Ring and held on by two bolts that can be removed and replaced by the hydraulic outlet kit.
And yep, I'm learning a lot from the forum, Harv. Gerald has a nice set-up on his tractor, but it's an "L" series and it looks like LarryT has exactly what I've been looking for.
Bird
gordon
Veteran Member
Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt
Mark comment me uh oh well ummm actually it was a complement why you ask? With as much as you've played with your tractors hydraulics who better to ask! Now to a point that noone has brought up yet. I don't want to confuse the issue here but it's better to do it right the first time. Yes it requires alittle more plumbing and forethought but the electric solinoid valves allow a single spool valve to do two functions. Or a dual spool valve to do four functions. I've already decided when I do the new tractor up I'm going with the solinoid valves. Might cost alittle more up front but it will add to the overall functions of the tractor and allow a smaller spool valve to be mounted. Most of the plumbing will be short runs from behind the seat to the cylinders. With a couple of main runs to the spool valve.
Just my thoughts
Gordon
Mark comment me uh oh well ummm actually it was a complement why you ask? With as much as you've played with your tractors hydraulics who better to ask! Now to a point that noone has brought up yet. I don't want to confuse the issue here but it's better to do it right the first time. Yes it requires alittle more plumbing and forethought but the electric solinoid valves allow a single spool valve to do two functions. Or a dual spool valve to do four functions. I've already decided when I do the new tractor up I'm going with the solinoid valves. Might cost alittle more up front but it will add to the overall functions of the tractor and allow a smaller spool valve to be mounted. Most of the plumbing will be short runs from behind the seat to the cylinders. With a couple of main runs to the spool valve.
Just my thoughts
Gordon
hayden
Veteran Member
Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt
OK, I can't resist this.
Here's the programmers translation for open center/power beyond verses closed center/no power beyond. Maybe this will help my fellow geeks.
fluid OpenCenter/PowerBeyond(fluid)
{
if (work_to_do)
{
do_useful_work(fluid)
}
return fluid
}
fluid goes in, does useful work if called for, and comes back out regardless of whether useful work was done.
In contrast:
fluid ClosedCenter/NoPowerBeyond(fluid)
{
while(!work_to_do)
{
}
do_useful_work(fluid)
return fluid
}
fluid goes in and sits there until there is something to do, only after which it comes out.
OpenCenter/PowerBeyond functions can be strung together in series and each can independently do useful work without blocking the guys downstream.
OK, I can't resist this.
Here's the programmers translation for open center/power beyond verses closed center/no power beyond. Maybe this will help my fellow geeks.
fluid OpenCenter/PowerBeyond(fluid)
{
if (work_to_do)
{
do_useful_work(fluid)
}
return fluid
}
fluid goes in, does useful work if called for, and comes back out regardless of whether useful work was done.
In contrast:
fluid ClosedCenter/NoPowerBeyond(fluid)
{
while(!work_to_do)
{
}
do_useful_work(fluid)
return fluid
}
fluid goes in and sits there until there is something to do, only after which it comes out.
OpenCenter/PowerBeyond functions can be strung together in series and each can independently do useful work without blocking the guys downstream.
LarryT
Silver Member
Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt
Ok, here's some more information as promised. First, I'm somewhat embarrased by how dirty my near new tractor is. I normally pressure wash it after a days work but I got back way after dark (that's about 5 PM these days!) then left town for two weeks. It will get a bath this weekend. Also, the dealer's brackets need better paint, but I'll deal with that too.
First, the hydraulic "source" is photo 1. The same source feeds the FEL and T&T valves. You can see the dual outlet plate in the photo, don't know if a dual plate is standard or not, you'll have to look at your tractor. For reference, the "bars" to the left in the photo are the two brake pedals.
The return from the T&T valve feeds into the FEL valve (left center photo 2). Apparently there are three spare return ports on this particular valve (see second one plugged to the right of the one mentioned). Then the return circuit is completed via the FEL valve back to the pump. The FEL valve is made by Husco, and the T&T valve is made by Dinoil http://www.internettrash.com/users/modular/dinoil.htm . Photo 3 is another angle of the added T&T valve. Photo 4 shows another angle of the rear cylinders. The rear cylinders are 1 3/8" outside diameter. The top link is 12" overall, the lower link is 7" overall. Working length would be about an inch less. The center shaft is 1" dia.
It's all pretty simple really. Seems like getting the hoses the correct length would be the hardest part. I have a call into my dealer to see if they will sell the kit and for how much. He was out today, I'll post when he gets back to me. If he's up to it, I'll post his name and # and you can contact him directly.
Hope this helps. Sorry for the length of this message. I've gotten so much great information from this site that I'm happy to be giving something back. Let me know if you have more questions.
Larry...
Ok, here's some more information as promised. First, I'm somewhat embarrased by how dirty my near new tractor is. I normally pressure wash it after a days work but I got back way after dark (that's about 5 PM these days!) then left town for two weeks. It will get a bath this weekend. Also, the dealer's brackets need better paint, but I'll deal with that too.
First, the hydraulic "source" is photo 1. The same source feeds the FEL and T&T valves. You can see the dual outlet plate in the photo, don't know if a dual plate is standard or not, you'll have to look at your tractor. For reference, the "bars" to the left in the photo are the two brake pedals.
The return from the T&T valve feeds into the FEL valve (left center photo 2). Apparently there are three spare return ports on this particular valve (see second one plugged to the right of the one mentioned). Then the return circuit is completed via the FEL valve back to the pump. The FEL valve is made by Husco, and the T&T valve is made by Dinoil http://www.internettrash.com/users/modular/dinoil.htm . Photo 3 is another angle of the added T&T valve. Photo 4 shows another angle of the rear cylinders. The rear cylinders are 1 3/8" outside diameter. The top link is 12" overall, the lower link is 7" overall. Working length would be about an inch less. The center shaft is 1" dia.
It's all pretty simple really. Seems like getting the hoses the correct length would be the hardest part. I have a call into my dealer to see if they will sell the kit and for how much. He was out today, I'll post when he gets back to me. If he's up to it, I'll post his name and # and you can contact him directly.
Hope this helps. Sorry for the length of this message. I've gotten so much great information from this site that I'm happy to be giving something back. Let me know if you have more questions.
Larry...
LarryT
Silver Member
Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt
I'm having trouble posting more than one image. I'll do the in separate emails. Here is photo 1.
Larry...
I'm having trouble posting more than one image. I'll do the in separate emails. Here is photo 1.
Larry...
LarryT
Silver Member
Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt
Photo 2, FEL valve.
Larry...
Photo 2, FEL valve.
Larry...
LarryT
Silver Member
Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt
Photo 3, T&T valve.
Larry...
Photo 3, T&T valve.
Larry...
LarryT
Silver Member
Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt
Photo 4, rear hydraulics, right side view.
Larry...
Photo 4, rear hydraulics, right side view.
Larry...