Hydraulic Tip 'N Tilt

[MChalkley]

Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt

Gordon - I agree completely. I've done this three different times on three different tractors, and I finally got it right this last time. Having the extra ports to control 2 rear implement cylinders in addition to the side link cylinders and top link cylinder is a real plus.

MarkC

 

[Bird]

Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt

Larry,

When I looked at your first photos with the two hoses running down the inside of the fender from the T&T valve, I was guessing that they went to and from the "optional" hydraulic outlet on the right side of the tractor below the seat. However, you say, <font color=blue>"The same source feeds the FEL and T&T valves. You can see the dual outlet plate in the photo . .,"</font color=blue> So I may be a bit confused (not unusual for me/w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif). The top (or right) hose or fitting on that hydraulic block is the pump port (and goes to the inlet on the FEL valve on my tractor). Are you saying that hose goes to the inlet on the T&T valve, and then the outlet hose from the T&T valve goes to the inlet on your FEL valve? (Of course, the other - lower left - hose on the hydraulic block is connected to the power beyond port on the FEL valve (top of the valve left of the other 4 in the photo of your FEL valve).

I only see a total of 6 hoses on your T&T valve. Is that right? Inlet, outlet, and two hoses to each cylinder. No power beyond port? If that is the case, I don't quite understand how that valve works. It would seem to me that the T&T valve would have to be an open center, power beyond type to get the pressure to the FEL valve, and still have an outlet that was not pressurized.

Sometimes I think the more I study this, the more confused I get, but I definitely like what you've got there as long as everything works, and it obviously does.

Thanks for the information and photos, and yes, I would like the name and number of the dealer who installed that.

Bird

 

[Harv]

Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt

Peter -

Thanks for putting it into a language I understand. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Does this work if your tractor is object oriented? /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

 

[LarryT]

Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt

Bird, with flashlight in hand, I went for another look. Here's what I found which is a little different from my earlier description. First, I was assuming that the "block" was a dual output, not an in/out. Apparently the latter is the case. By following the hoses, here is how it seems to be "wired". 1)from the upper right fitting on the "block", it goes to the FEL "IN" fitting. 2) From the center of the FEL Valve block to the "P" port (which appears to be the same as "IN") on the T&T valve, and 3) from the "T" port on the T&T valve back to the "block". Based on this, I would assume that the center ports on the FEL valve are a source of hydraulic pressure (I looked at the HUSCO web site but there are no schmatics). When looking at the Dinoil drawings, http://www.grandflo.com.my/engin/compo.html, the "P" port seems to also have the pressure relief valve which supports the idea of "P" being the same as "IN". Apparently Dinoil is foreign, most likely Italian.
You are correct in that there are only 6 hoses on the T&T valve, just as you surmised. No power beyond connection. And yes, it works perfectly. With the box blade, I use the top adjust (is that tip or tilt?) almost as much as the 3pt raise and lower. You pull either lever to "extend" the cylinder and push to "retract" the cylinder.

Sorry for the confusion the first time.

Larry...

 

[LarryT]

Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt

Harv,
When my tractor encounters an object, that object usually becomes re-oriented, sometimes even dis-oriented!?!? However, its forbidden to produce code.

Larry...

 

[Bird]

Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt

OK, Larry. I'm easily confused, but think I understand now. So instead of using the "optional" outlet at the rear, it's plumbed from the pump port (upper right on the block on the tractor) to the inlet (or pump "P") port on the FEL valve, then from the power beyond (PB) port on the FEL valve to the inlet (or pump "P") port on the T&T valve, and from the outlet (or tank "T") port on the T&T valve back to the power beyond port on the block. That was my original idea (gotten from what I understood of Mark Chalkley's descriptions a long time ago), and it may be the best (or even only) way to go, but if that "optional" block can be used instead, the T&T valve would in no way be connected to the FEL and shorter hoses could be used. Of course, I'm still not sure that's possible.

So you've answered a lot of questions, showed me where to find a smaller valve, the best place to mount the valve, etc. I really appreciate you time and trouble, and if your dealer is interested in selling a "kit", or having me contact him, let me know.

Bird

 

[MarkV]

Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt

Larry,

Bird is doing all the leg work but I know there are others looking for the same set up. It is hard to believe that someone has not made up a kit. Maybe your dealer would be interested? Maybe the "B" models just differ enough to not make that practical.

Bird, I know you will keep us all informed as you sort it out. Good Luck

 

[Bird]

Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt

This has been interesting, to say the least. Larry's set up looks great, but I simply cannot understand why the dealer/installer would use the power beyond port on the loader valve instead of the optional rear hydraulic outlet (and of course there may be a very good reason that I don't know or understand). So I've sent a request for such information to Kubota and am waiting to see what response I get. I also talked to another dealer by phone today who says they rig up a tip 'n tilt every once in awhile, have not done a B2710, but certainly can. He also told me they use the power beyond port on the loader but doesn't know of any reason you couldn't use the other hydraulic outlet. In the past, I had learned that Tisco makes a category I hydraulic top link, but didn't know of any of the other components they make, but that dealer today told me they don't have a kit specifically for the B2710, but that Tisco makes a complete kit for the B8200/9200 including top link, side link, valve, hoses, etc. (designed to use the power beyond port on the loader valve/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif). He thought it would work on the B2710 also. He also thinks I could just buy all the Tisco components, except the hoses, get the optional rear hydraulic block for the B2710 and have hoses made to the right length. I've also asked Steve Carver to check into it and see what he can come up with. So, I'm going to wait to hear from Steve and Kubota because I would rather buy from Steve if possible.

Bird

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt

Harv,
Sorry I did'nt get back to you sooner. Your 2500 has the hyd outlet plate. I checked today to see if there was an aux kit avail but it does'nt look like it (the salesman was pretty busy) we looked through the accy chart and did not see anything available. But that does'nt mean there is'nt.

 

[Harv]

Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt

KubMech -
Thanks for checking into this -- you're worth twice what I'm paying you. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Keep in mind that my hydraulic IQ is pretty low on fluid, so let me ask for a little clarification here:

You say my 2500 has the hydraulic outlet plate. That means there's at least a good place to tap into the hydraulic system?

Now, even if there is not an "aux kit" (distrubution block, control valves, etc.?) available through Kubota, does that just mean I would have to cobble together my own parts from third-party dealers?

If, like Bird said, buying a kit from Kubota means forking out $861, I think I like the cobbling approach better already. /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif

Bird -
I'm hanging on your every word here, with regards your inquiries to various shops and dealers. I stumbled across an honest-to-god hydraulics shop not far from where I live, so there's a chance I could get some custom work done (for an as yet undetermined price) if I can produce a detailed plan for what I want.

I get the feeling from y'all so far that the various components for this project are available from a number of different sources. I'm just not sure about things like the top-link fittings for the ends of the cylinder itself. Can they be purchased ready-made, or is this a welding chore?

So much to learn ... so little time.