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[forgeblast]

I work right in Dimock where the nytimes article that was posted is about. In fact the picture that they showed I pass twice a day.
I am on those roads with water trucks all day long. It has gotten better, a lot better. The reason it has gotten better is because the roads are fixed and widened.
I dont hate the industry, I think its better to have a domestic product developed at home then a reliance on oil.
My friend (since 1st grade) works on a pad. He is a recycler. Every bit of mud that comes out goes through a plug mill and is then rebagged to be reused. (If I am explaining this wrong, or using the wrong terms its my fault not his i am probably just "missremembering". He was also explaining how many safty classes etc that he has had to go through before stepping on the well pad.

 

[lockhaven]

I wish Catfish had related his last post before. I was told that the "Gas Company" does not actually do anything it is all subcontractors. From what Catfish just posted I wish his company had the contract for my area. As i said before the pickups act normal and courteous both with speed and narrow dirt road etiquette. It sounds as tho his company is working with the community instead of ignoring it.:thumbsup:

 

[Catfish Man]

Yes typically the gas companies contract work out, however they set the specifications for how things will be run. There is always a representative from the gas company on location to insure things are being run to the companies specifications.

For instance if a contractor spills a chemical on the ground, the gas company is held responsible for everything. So the company representative will be dang sure the contractor cleans it up properly.

I do not work directly for the gas company, I work for a major oilfield service company, most of you would recognize the name.

Every year I attend multiple driving schools, (along with other safety classes). I guarantee you the general public has no where near the driving instruction that I have. And this is to drive a pickup, I can only imagine what they are sending the big truck drivers to.

Also my truck is equipped with a gps tracking device, they know where I am and how fast I am traveling at all times. If my truck exceeds the speed limit at any time, an e-mail is automatically generated and sent to my supervisor. If I brake hard, an e-mail is sent, if I take a curve to fast, an e-mail is sent. My company regularly fires people for bad driving habits.

Most of the bigger companies are very concerned with their image and go to extremes to keep it clean. One of the major companies, (they wear red coveralls) have been known to fire people that buy beer and cigarettes (off duty) while wearing the company uniform.

 

[Tollster]

I personally dont work for any gas company. In fact, I have relatives that do QA (supplier procedural audits) for the Nuclear Power Industry.

Interesting, however, I must clearify as I AM a Qualified Nuclear inspector (QC/QA/ISI) and have likely worked (Yes, inspected reactor components) at the plant very close to everyone that has posted in this thread, 36 plants at last count.

 

[Catfish Man]

If anyone is approached by a company wanting to drill on their land, you can pm me and I will tell you whether or not I know anything about the company.
If they run things properly, will respect your land etc.

However I'm not willing to share this information on a public forum.

I do not know about all of the companies, however due to the nature of my work I get around a good bit and have worked on rigs for most of the companies.

Usually if it's one of the bigger companies they are taking care of business in the proper manner, they have to much to lose not to.

 

[jonyyuma]

Okay, So YOU MAkE a living working for the Gas industry, Now I see why the generalizations touch a nerve.. Obviously , you don't see what happens anywhere but in your area?I only reported what I see happening in ARK. I was directly affected thru my In-laws, whom are all on community water....Nearly every one near there is affected by the chemical stench.. I was in Beebe, when the birds fell on New Years. There were a lot of roosts of Blackbirds there, But I did not see Piles of them any where in town..But you would see at least one every 100 ft. dead. Phosegene Gas I doubt it too???

 

[Catfish Man]

Obviously , you don't see what happens anywhere but in your area?

True I have no first had knowledge of what's going in Arkansas.

I have worked wells in Texas, Louisiana (land and inland barge), Mississippi, Gulf of Mexico (deepwater and shallow water), Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Africa. Sometimes working for major companies like the names you see on the pumps when you pump your gas and sometimes for little companies that nobody but the industry has ever heard of.

 

[Ken]

Thanks for reporting from "The Field" Ken.

Another interesting thing is used to be 11 or more days to drill the well. Now with more experance of what is under the ground only 8 days to arrive set up drill and be gone to new site. Sure it is noisy when drilling next to your house but if it bothers you they will move you to motel until they leave.
Some have taken them up but most understand.
Countless sand trucks. sand purchased in the state . local haulers
The building of the pad local construction companys with equipment purchased from in state business .
Water delivered by pipe line overland if crossing some ones property the right of way is paid.
Pipe is removed as soon as job is finished.
2 years ago and elderly man asked me if the 5 acre land the gas co. wanted to lease and drill on his property was worth signing for. Told him if there was gas he could purchase a new pick-up every month and hire a new driver to take him around. Saw him a year after the well was in and he asked if i remembered my comment. he laughed and said could purchase 2 pick-ups. and they had put in a large pond which he put fish in with a small boat dock.
A year after the pipeline is buried the land has been seeded with grass is a area the deer stay.Hunters have there deer stand next to the line.
The only people who complain are the ones without land.
thanks for the reply Egon.

 

[Tollster]

Another interesting thing is used to be 11 or more days to drill the well. Now with more experance of what is under the ground only 8 days to arrive set up drill and be gone to new site. Sure it is noisy when drilling next to your house but if it bothers you they will move you to motel until they leave.
Some have taken them up but most understand.
Countless sand trucks. sand purchased in the state . local haulers
The building of the pad local construction companys with equipment purchased from in state business .
Water delivered by pipe line overland if crossing some ones property the right of way is paid.
Pipe is removed as soon as job is finished.
2 years ago and elderly man asked me if the 5 acre land the gas co. wanted to lease and drill on his property was worth signing for. Told him if there was gas he could purchase a new pick-up every month and hire a new driver to take him around. Saw him a year after the well was in and he asked if i remembered my comment. he laughed and said could purchase 2 pick-ups. and they had put in a large pond which he put fish in with a small boat dock.
A year after the pipeline is buried the land has been seeded with grass is a area the deer stay.Hunters have there deer stand next to the line.
The only people who complain are the ones with land.
thanks for the reply Egon.

Nice to here those great get rich stories, they sound so common, fortunes of money in every well, how can ya go wrong!

 

[Catfish Man]

The environmental benefits of fracking—Kevin D. Williamson - NYPOST.com

 

[Ken]

Okay, So YOU MAkE a living working for the Gas industry, Now I see why the generalizations touch a nerve.. Obviously , you don't see what happens anywhere but in your area?I only reported what I see happening in ARK. I was directly affected thru my In-laws, whom are all on community water....Nearly every one near there is affected by the chemical stench.. I was in Beebe, when the birds fell on New Years. There were a lot of roosts of Blackbirds there, But I did not see Piles of them any where in town..But you would see at least one every 100 ft. dead. Phosegene Gas I doubt it too???

jonyyuma The referred birds died when fireworks was set off under there nightly roosting area. by pople who didn't want the birds crapping all over there new Lexis sitting in the area of where a year before was a rice field.( I think you knew of this) news reporters never learned of it. even a year later when it happened again.

The community water. Water from Greers Ferry Lake was when trash debree from rivers caused the water filters to plug and then burned up the pump motors.
Where did the trash come from maybe all the housing construction of building new sub divisions. in Cabot and Bebee. Areas.
Where does the word "Phosegene Gas" come from never hear it mentioned in conversation here. But then only have lived here since 1948.
ken

 

[Catfish Man]

Here is an "incident" I have first hand knowledge of. The rig was moved to the pad, they had been on location for about a week, waiting on parts to arrive to repair the rig before they could start drilling. During this time the rig crew was repairing equipment and doing preventative maintenance.

A local landowner come to the location and reported that the "fracking" had ruined her water well. The drilling had not even started yet, the surface for the ground had not been broken, the rig was not even completely put together yet.
(BTW fracking takes place after drilling is complete)

There was no other wells for miles and miles around. I haven't heard what has come of this case, the last I heard she had a lawyer and was going after the gas company.

 

[Ken]

Nice to here those great get rich stories, they sound so common, fortunes of money in every well, how can ya go wrong!

How could go wrong. Easy failure to purchase land when it was 50 bucks and acre now over 3K .
The gas companys have also paid for the rebuilding of county roads Added black top for width and new culverts for drainage of the right of way.
All the gas men coming into the area are building new houses to live in. College is teaching gas industry courses and the men that take the coures are hired at a wage well above the normal adverage.
Town of Conway now has a growth that is the fastest growing city in This part of the nation.
including all the towns along the highways.
Maybe you think it should of been turned down so we could go back to a rural low income blited part of the state.
From my looking at PA. is there any part of Western of the state the coal companys have not trashed.with waste dumps and old looking towns. lack of tree and grass.
ken

 

[Ken]

Thanks for reporting from "The Field" Ken.

Egon hope you live far enough away So not get hit from the mud being slung.
Better yet come visit will show you around the best area to live.
We don't invite everyone.
ken

 

[lockhaven]

How could go wrong. Easy failure to purchase land when it was 50 bucks and acre now over 3K .
The gas companys have also paid for the rebuilding of county roads Added black top for width and new culverts for drainage of the right of way.
All the gas men coming into the area are building new houses to live in. College is teaching gas industry courses and the men that take the coures are hired at a wage well above the normal adverage.
Town of Conway now has a growth that is the fastest growing city in This part of the nation.
including all the towns along the highways.
Maybe you think it should of been turned down so we could go back to a rural low income blited part of the state.
From my looking at PA. is there any part of Western of the state the coal companys have not trashed.with waste dumps and old looking towns. lack of tree and grass.
ken

your knowledge of Pennsylvania is not accurate, I do not know about the western part of the state around Pittsburgh so I will not make a comment about that part of the state. The area around Scranton and wilkes barre is coal country and has problems in my opinion. I do not want to start a fight with the coal miners. The central part of the state was a different story, we had miles of unbroken forest areas because of the steepness had not been logged for many years. Large trees very few roads just a few paved roads mostly state forest land. we had logging but even tho it looked bad after within a few years it was dense thicket. A typical day you might hear 1 or 2 logging trucks pass by when they were in the area. Now we have caravans of 5 to 6 dump trucks running night and day. After them comes the tank trucks and the drill rigs. drill rigs are the least of the problem because they do not move around very often. I can see that in some areas perhaps over in Scranton locals are hired because they can run heavy equipment. The area I am in has an industry of camp grounds and various outdoor activities. Before you attack that why should a company hire someone without the required abilities I am not saying that just explaining the area. Now that the gas industry has arrived the people we depend on for our economy are dwindling because of the noise and traffic and the bright lights at night from the drilling rigs. This piece of information comes from the local bar and grill owner, I asked if his business was better and he said the hunting season was still ok but the summer camper season had been poor. Just so I cover my A** from attacks politicians may consider williamsport to be in the area, I do not, it is a 45 minute drive oneway. Most of the property in my area is owned by the state there are a few large tracks of private property that i am sure someone will pop up and say how much money they are making but most is state owned. I admit to being angry because the area may not ever recover in my lifetime.

 

[dmccarty]

Just tried it. None found. Maybe no requirement that they fess up to what's in it?

Wikipedia's article on "fracking fluid" (Proppants and fracking fluids - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) states it's 98% water ... anybody believe that?

I do not know if 98% of the fluid is H20 but the antiFrackers have gone after the amount of water used in fracking. I would believe that the fast majority of the fluid is H20. It would be cheap and available so it would be logical to use.

Later,
Dan

 

[RoyJackson]

I do not know if 98% of the fluid is H20 but the antiFrackers have gone after the amount of water used in fracking. I would believe that the fast majority of the fluid is H20. It would be cheap and available so it would be logical to use.

Later,
Dan

I'm sure 98% of the fluid is H2O...but it's the 2% that could kill you...

 

[jonyyuma]

Where did the trash come from maybe all the housing construction of building new sub divisions. in Cabot and Bebee. Areas.
Where does the word "Phosegene Gas" come from never hear it mentioned in conversation here. But then only have lived here since 1948.
ken[/QUOTE]

What, I did not say anything about trash. Building, just because a F-5 tornado has hit Beebe several years ago..?? Then Vilonia? The gas reference was back several pages. This post moves quick and sometimes i get 'Behind" reading them. I like Conway and visit Magazine Mountain when i want to spend the night. A beautiful place...Traffic has been safe on HWY.64 for some time now..Btw can you tell me how deep Greers ferry is now? Another pristine example of a nice vacation spot..

 

[dmccarty]

I'm sure 98% of the fluid is H2O...but it's the 2% that could kill you...

I am sure it could. But so can too much water.

I really do think the fracking companies should disclose what is in the fluids. They say the chemicals used is proprietary which I really do not understand. If the chemicals are proprietary, fine, let the "government" know what is being used so that if water is fouled by fracking then the frackers can be to clean up.

To hear the greenies tell it, the world will end if we have fracking. Of course the world is going to end if we have coal burning or nuke power plants. We can't have gas either though it was funny I just read of a greenie say to USE gas over Nukes.

I know danged well if we do not have power and energy it will be ugly. That bothers me more than fracking.

Later,
Dan