Hydro's and brake pedals

[MtnViewRanch]

Need to? Have to? There is a sliding scale to that requirement. Everybody needs them to some extent, but few have to have them. Funny thing is that those who know they need them wont settle for not having them - - even if they could do without they wont settle for the handicap resulting from doing so.

I have to disagree with you Larry. You do not know everybody's circumstances. I am relatively certain that there are people that are quite aware of the ability of cutting brakes and have absolutely no use for them.

 

[SPYDERLK]

I have to disagree with you Larry. You do not know everybody's circumstances. I am relatively certain that there are people that are quite aware of the ability of cutting brakes and have absolutely no use for them.

Logically impossible.

 

[MossRoad]

I have to disagree with you Larry. You do not know everybody's circumstances. I am relatively certain that there are people that are quite aware of the ability of cutting brakes and have absolutely no use for them.

You've never had a situation where you had to make a 3 point turn where if you had a brake you could have finished the turn in a tighter radius and just continued on? Never?

 

[patrick_g]

O.K. I won't blame the right footed three pedaler. Its my fault.

Really, though, why did they even bother to put them there? Why didn't they put them in the preferred spot. the spot where they are the most useful? I have not seen anyone on this board say they prefer them on the same side as the direction pedal(s). It is a shortcoming in the design plain and simple. Yes, we can learn to work with it. That doesn't make it a good design.

But if you don't use the brakes individually then it is a GREAT placement. Lots of us don't use the cutting brakes. It isn't that I don't understand cutting brakes (think dune buggies with cutting brakes) or that I can't use them or haven't used them (dune buggies) it is that for what I do with MY TRACTOR, I just don't need cutting brakes.

There is no requirement to use every feature supplied. I have had lots of cars and trucks with cigarette lighters but I don't smoke and so didn't use the lighters much. I also didn't run wild complaining about the location of the lighter and how a right handed person driving with only his right hand couldn't easily access the lighter with the left hand due to ignorant ergonomics of lighter placement.

For heaven's sake, if some of us like what we have and don't use some feature that someone else finds inconvenient does that make us somehow outcast deviants?

No one ever asked me what I thought about the placement of the brakes on my Kubota with respect to using them as cutting brakes. If I heavily depended on using cutting brakes a lot I'd think it was a nightmare and would either have not bought this model or much more likely since I really like all the other features-aspects of the tractor, considered putting a rocker pedal on the left side mechanically connected to the HST pedal on the right side so I could use my left foot to control HST and right foot to operate cutting brakes. BUT... since I don't use or need to use cutting brakes for my tractor use I'll just leave the brake pedals interconnected and not worry about it.

I used to have several suits with button holes in the left lapel but no matching button anywhere. Where is the proper forum for ranting about that?

Patrick

 

[MossRoad]

But if you don't use the brakes individually then it is a GREAT placement.

Please explain how is it a GREAT placement.

 

[jenkinsph]

I think it is humorous how this thread has evolved, if you don't need or use cutting brakes then it really doesn't matter where they are. If you do use them then make sure it works ergonomically for you.

To suggest that the cutting and turning brake placement is okay on the right side because I don't use them sounds like a weak arguement but if it suits you I am happy for you.

 

[patrick_g]

To suggest that the cutting and turning brake placement is okay on the right side because I don't use them sounds like a weak arguement but if it suits you I am happy for you.

Uh, hello (you too Moss road)

What is hard to understand about the concept of it not making a difference where something is if it isn't used and isn't in the way of anything that is used?? That being the case my brake on the right configuration is just fine, not unlike my not caring where the cigarette lighter is on the dash since I don't smoke.

Since I don't unlatch the bar connecting my cutting brakes together into a single brake pedal and since my HST brings me to a stop pretty fast so I don't use the brakes very often (except to set the parking brake when I am stopped and NOT using the HST pedal) having the brake pedal on the right is NOT A PROBLEM and works fine for me and probably thousands of others.

If someone has what they need and can use it to good advantage whatever the configuration then I am happy for them IRRESPECTIVE of the color of their paint. Many of us have HST and brakes on the right, especially with Kubotas. A very small percentage is bothered by that. Those who have it and are sorely displeased have my sympathy regarding their inability to clearly define their requirements prior to purchase.

So far as treating the issue like some sort of religious litmus test is concerned...

It is not a case of ignorance is bliss. I am fully cognizant of cutting brakes, their use, and am quite experienced in same (dune buggies) but I don't have a use for them in doing what I do with my tractor. It has NEVER been an issue with me, I don't have to suffer to find workaround solutions, I don't miss being able to easily use them because I have had, in well over a thousand hours of use on this Kubota NEVER wanted or needed to use them.

I unlatched the brakes one time and played with the cutting brakes when the tractor was new. They work fine and are a little clumsy because I had to "heel and toe" but I can do that just fine if I need to but just don't need to do so. My loader is easily removed and reinstalled in the field with its "kickstand arrangement." I took it off and put it back on one time (not counting when the salesman did it with me for training purposes) and haven't removed it since and probably never will. I'm sure that will bother someone too.

Patrick

 

[MtnViewRanch]

You've never had a situation where you had to make a 3 point turn where if you had a brake you could have finished the turn in a tighter radius and just continued on? Never?

First of all, I am not everybody, and I did not say me, did I? And as far as have I ever been in a situation that I could have used my cutting brakes and continued on. The answer is NO, never, as far as my 3215 is concerned. That is to say, not so far anyway. Now this has happened to me with my 7520, but we aren't talking about geared tractors here, are we? But then that is why I bought the 3215, to get in tighter areas than the 7520.

 

[jenkinsph]

Patrick,
As I said in the first sentence, if you don't use cutting brakes it doesn't matter where they are.


Obviously if you don't use the cutting brakes the whole thread is of little importance to you. The persons who indeed need to use them are the ones who take issue to grouping these altogether on the right.

I don't care where your's are located in particular and no one need be concerned about where MINE are. The topic of the discussion as I thought was pedal placement assuming a person wants full use of all pedals ergonomically.

 

[RobertN]

To me, this point is moot. To consider this, I desperately need turning brakes on my long bed xcab Dodge MUCH more than I do on the tractor. I can't tell you how many times I have had to do 6, 8, and 10 point turns out in the woods and in tight area's of my property.

If this were really a big issue, then all the manufacturers of skid steers and track loaders would put 3pt hitches on the back of their machines. Then you could affect a turn within the footprint of the tractor. ASV did have a track loader with a 3pt hitch; I am not sure if they make that model any more(3pt hitch on the back; I know front adapters are available).

Curiously, how is your tractor set up? Yours pivots in the center doesn't it? Does it have a split brake option, and is it effective? I have never seen one up close to see.

You've never had a situation where you had to make a 3 point turn where if you had a brake you could have finished the turn in a tighter radius and just continued on? Never?