I'm missing something: Front-end 4-wd
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Vigo327
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The specific statements err on the side of caution (like 'stop the tractor') and then you get this thread about how technically that doesn't work all the time blah blah blah. Can't please everyone no matter what.
I very much agree with "the obvious is not quite obvious when you've never done it" but at the same time I've NEVER seen someone try to engage reverse in a manual trans by just pulling the lever towards reverse and letting the clutch out like the analogy i used, so we can assume there is SOME kind of baseline competency you can cater to with your instructions or anyone who ever couldn't get their shifter into reverse would just let the clutch out and see what happened. We can nitpick the wording of what we tell people to do about their diff lock but i seriously doubt anyone has ever worried that someone driving manual was not going to figure out that the above statement was a bad idea. Mechanically they're almost exactly the same thing! Why don't we try to find the perfect sentence to make sure noone ever does that in their car? Because they're not going to anyway! We're just sitting here giving tractor operators less benefit of the doubt than joe blow with a clutch pedal in their car. To me that's a little backwards.
I'm a teacher for a living. I teach automotive technology. Actually have a degree in occupational education, not that anyone cares (myself included). I still have to teach to a practical 'baseline competency' level, because if you don't have that baseline competency, you don't need automotive instruction, you need life skills coaching, or a psych eval or a time machine so you can go back and do everything over before you get to me or something but you don't need ME to teach to a lower level than i already do, because at some point it's not my problem and that's not my job. I teach to the level of people who are ready to be taught. If i gotta build up from 3rd grade to Master Tech i'm gonna need a pay raise and 10-15 more years to get it done. It's a 2 yr program. I can write you a manual but I'm not gonna write down all the things YOU need to know before you read MY manual. It's implied.
I very much agree with "the obvious is not quite obvious when you've never done it" but at the same time I've NEVER seen someone try to engage reverse in a manual trans by just pulling the lever towards reverse and letting the clutch out like the analogy i used, so we can assume there is SOME kind of baseline competency you can cater to with your instructions or anyone who ever couldn't get their shifter into reverse would just let the clutch out and see what happened. We can nitpick the wording of what we tell people to do about their diff lock but i seriously doubt anyone has ever worried that someone driving manual was not going to figure out that the above statement was a bad idea. Mechanically they're almost exactly the same thing! Why don't we try to find the perfect sentence to make sure noone ever does that in their car? Because they're not going to anyway! We're just sitting here giving tractor operators less benefit of the doubt than joe blow with a clutch pedal in their car. To me that's a little backwards.
I'm a teacher for a living. I teach automotive technology. Actually have a degree in occupational education, not that anyone cares (myself included). I still have to teach to a practical 'baseline competency' level, because if you don't have that baseline competency, you don't need automotive instruction, you need life skills coaching, or a psych eval or a time machine so you can go back and do everything over before you get to me or something but you don't need ME to teach to a lower level than i already do, because at some point it's not my problem and that's not my job. I teach to the level of people who are ready to be taught. If i gotta build up from 3rd grade to Master Tech i'm gonna need a pay raise and 10-15 more years to get it done. It's a 2 yr program. I can write you a manual but I'm not gonna write down all the things YOU need to know before you read MY manual. It's implied.
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