Buying Advice Is it possible to go too big?

[Xfaxman]

The boom reach and a cutter on the end is something that I'd really appreciate!

Yep, me too:

 

[jjp8182]

The boom reach and a cutter on the end is something that I'd really appreciate!

Me too ...particularly comibined with a crabbed steering (which I'd expect many telehandlers to have). ....would be handy for mowing perpetually wet areas while keeping the telehandler on dry ground.

There's a high probability if/when I get a second machine it'll be a compact telehandler given that to get an equivalent lifting capacity/height/reach of the smallest telehandlers in a tractor generally means going above 130hp. So given lifting (and to a lesser degree digging) is where I usually find myself being limited the telehandler would seem the smart addition.

Woudn't get rid of my current tractor though, just because I do use it for plowing the garden (with a 16" single bottom plow) -- and I have zero desire to switch to using a tiller for gardening given how many more problems with the soil they can cause -- but that's a different topic entirely.

 

[PuffyC]

More tasks the model 5610 Toolcat can do, 5x6 round bales:
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Pulling the 22' gooseneck:
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6' box blade on the front:
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I was getting excited until I saw the price

 

[Xfaxman]

Yep, costs more, but will do more. What does a tractor cost that has a loader that will lift 3,000 pounds?

Then how much is the airconditioned cab?

Tractors do not have 4 wheel steering that gives it crab steer.

What is it worth to you to not have regen, DEF and DPF?

What is it worth to you to have the small size for working in the woods and parking in a building with a 7' high door?

It is worth a lot to me to do what I need done without renting a bigger machine or paying someone to do it.

 

[PuffyC]

Yep, costs more, but will do more. What does a tractor cost that has a loader that will lift 3,000 pounds?

Then how much is the airconditioned cab?

Tractors do not have 4 wheel steering that gives it crab steer.

What is it worth to you to not have regen, DEF and DPF?

What is it worth to you to have the small size for working in the woods and parking in a building with a 7' high door?

It is worth a lot to me to do what I need done without renting a bigger machine or paying someone to do it.

You don't have to sell me. Now if I can just find a sugar momma to buy me one...

 

[DieselBound]

Yep, costs more, but will do more. What does a tractor cost that has a loader that will lift 3,000 pounds?

Then how much is the airconditioned cab?

Tractors do not have 4 wheel steering that gives it crab steer.

What is it worth to you to not have regen, DEF and DPF?

What is it worth to you to have the small size for working in the woods and parking in a building with a 7' high door?

It is worth a lot to me to do what I need done without renting a bigger machine or paying someone to do it.

Exactly. Although maintenance is more costly (that's just a fact of life with larger machines, especially industrial-level ones), one is usually less likely going to break one: but that doesn't mean that it can't happen; my equipment rental guy told me that a guy twisted a boom on one of his excavators- he had to eat the cost (the renter didn't think it was his responsibility to cover repair costs!), something like $7k! (and renters are breaking glass doors all the time - likely more expensive than my NX5510's, which was about $600; or, blowing out a hydraulic cylinder- for my NX5510 that was about $700- I knew someone who shelled out just that amount for a seal kit for the cylinder on his articulating loader's backhoe's boom).

The production years for the V417 ended in 2015? (pre Tier IV)

 

[Xfaxman]

The production years for the V417 ended in 2015? (pre Tier IV)

Not sure when it ended. Did a quick search and saw a dealer ad for a 2017 V417.
They probably quit production when the V519 came out.

 

[DieselBound]

Interesting, Tier IV compliance was required starting in 2014 from what I can find: that seems a lot earlier than I'd thought.

I'm wondering if EGRs and EGR coolers were used to meet Tier IV [I would think that only interim Tier IV, but I dunno for sure].

What year is your V417? Does it use EGR components? (I think this is what Mahindra went with; still not sure how only this can meet Tier IV.)

 

[Xfaxman]

What year is your V417?

2009

Does it use EGR components? (I think this is what Mahindra went with; still not sure how only this can meet Tier IV.)

No.

 

[Xfaxman]

Hello folks. Moving to a 58 acre property soon from the 'burbs (also escaping CA, but that is a different discussion) and am looking into getting my first tractor. About 28 acres of the land is previously farmed acreage that I want to keep knocked down and tamed by semi regular mowing/bush hogging. I have a full time job that is not farming and have no intention of farming the land myself, at least in the near future. Leasing some of the land to someone else to farm is something I want to look more in to. The rest of the land is very thick vegetation and trees. Solid wall of green type situation.

Besides the previously mentioned 28 acres of maintenance taming, over the next few years I want to potentially relocate, and certainly maintain, the gravel driveway into the property which is about 1500', create a gravel "road" to the more separated farm area for lessees to access that 15ish acres which will be at least another 1500', fell some timber and clear brush to make trails to the more wooded areas, potentially light grading for a future storage structure and swing set, and support of some heavier/specialized rented machinery for constructing a private shooting range with berm backstops in the back woods. Near the house I'd like to set up a sizable garden plot for the wife and kids to tool around in and some tree planting around the new driveway for future privacy.

My question is this: Should I start with a "learner size"? I've never owned or driven a tractor but from research I've seen that a fairly sizable machine would be ideal for my needs/wants. I've also gotten my heart set on a buddy seat so in a few years when I've learned to drive the thing and my very young children are a tiny bit older they can ride with dad. I think those moments will be priceless. I have no brand loyalty and I've yet to see how dealers around me treat their customers, which I've heard is a huge consideration. I've also got my heart set on a cab because frankly I think it will make chores like the mowing enjoyable instead of potential misery.

The machines I've been interested in thus far are the kubota m4d-071 and the tym 1104 and I'm mostly considering new instead of used. I'm slowly working my way though the other colors looking for other models of weight, power, and size to fit my needs but I've gotten a bit nervous about my lack of experience and piloting something this large and expensive without ever even sitting in a drivers seat. Any thoughts? Am I getting in over my head with machines this big? The terrain around my house is about as flat as a pancake which is at least in my favor and because I have a full time gig elsewhere, my off time, which I'm hoping a machine this size will save some of, is very valuable and more time I can spend with my young kids. Thanks for your help and looking forward to getting to know you all.

Paul, sorry the thread derail happened.

Did you get the right information from the many responses to make a decision?