Buying Advice Is it possible to go too big?

   / Is it possible to go too big?
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#41  
The only problem with a large tractor is just that it is unfamiliar, and bigger means even more potentially dangerous. They aren't hard to use, but there is a learning curve, it involves unfamiliar hazards, and I believe everyone here will tell you the same.

Tractors move slowly, but inevitably. They turn differently than a car, slide at odd moments, and swing large implements like flails. They are not as stable as a car, or as user friendly. For instance, no tractor has front brakes.... did you even know that? That means there is a serious challenge to going down even a slightly wet slope safely, and with a load in the front bucket it is even more so.

And don't let me even get into spinning PTOs or lifting things with the front end loader kinds of hazards. Or gate posts that were almost wide enough - and now they are....a bit crooked maybe, but definitely wide enough....

That's not to discourage you, but please take the time for to be smart here. I've had a dozen tractors and used them for over 60 years. Just yesterday evening as I parked our big tractor I looked back & suddenly focused on a forgotten lever that was not folded back into place & which must have only missed the side of my wife's cherished vintage Lexus by inches. Tractors are big and heavy and kinda inevitable. If I had hit her car with the big tractor chances are I wouldn't even had noticed.

- btw, our big tractor has a cab - farther removing one from the world of sheds, fences, children, and animals.
Cabs are wonderful, but isolating.
Do a search on tractor cabs and trees, or backing up with the tractor cab doors open. We have all done that.

Ask around, see how many of us have scared ourself or will confess to putting a bit of a scrape on something we wish we hadn't.

So that's my input. If I were doing what you are, I'd get a nice first tractor that will last a lifetime. Let me describe what I would recommend:

Make it a 45 to 65 hp (I'd go smaller hp before I'd go larger), OPEN STATION, 4wd tractor, with a wide stance, wheel weights, a HST transmission, a good solid loader (SSQA), and Cat. 1/II 3pt hitch with a 3 way manual adjustable 7 or 8 foot blade on the back. Put a canopy on it to keep off the sun and rain. Buy hearing protection, two 12/15 foot grade 80 or better 5/16" chains with grab hooks on each end, & some gloves. That's it. A nice basic simple tractor. Start simple. Let it be your tutor.
I bet you will keep it a lifetime. Simple to help keep you safe while learning.
Good luck & enjoy,
rScotty

Thank you for your reply. I think if I put on one more youtube video from Messicks or Good Works Tractor my wife is going to suffer a neck injury from rolling her eyes so hard and then proceed to wring mine.

In all seriousness, I know that obviously nothing is a replacement for seat time and experience but yes I am familiarizing myself with parts, terminology, and techniques. Because I'm a trauma ER and ICU RN by trade, as is the wife, I've been especially gobbling up any info related to safety I can.

I still am really leaning towards the cab though if I'm being honest. My job is stressful and I'm looking at some of these chores like some much needed R&R. I absolutely understand these machines are dangerous and require my attention and care but I'm sure when I get to a certain point mowing 15 acres could be a relaxing disconnect from the world outside the tractor work.
 
   / Is it possible to go too big? #42  
Get your cab and keep the size up, 65+ HP on the pto.
 
   / Is it possible to go too big? #44  
my wife is going to suffer a neck injury from rolling her eyes so hard
You might be surprised.... We only have 20- acres & my wife was like why do we need a 40hp tractor... She not only loves the machine now... she is a very competent operator & runs it on a weekly basis for some task... (Oh, but I knew she would)...
 
   / Is it possible to go too big?
  • Thread Starter
#45  
So if you hurt yourself your covered, good to know.;)
More like if I hurt myself I will cry like a baby about my boo boo and request a prompt band aid. Remember: Male Nurse.

Until that point I'm probably a good bit more safety conscious than most though. ;)
 
   / Is it possible to go too big? #46  
Is it possible to go too big ? ... Yes ...

Read this tale of woe ... 100 Hp tractor doing jobs, my 40 Hp tractor could do.

 
   / Is it possible to go too big? #47  
If he buys most anything new over 25 HP, he's most likely going to have to deal with regen & or DEF issues.
 
   / Is it possible to go too big? #48  
If he buys most anything new over 25 HP, he's most likely going to have to deal with regen & or DEF issues.
No regen, DEF or DPF on the 61 hp Toolcat.
 
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   / Is it possible to go too big? #49  
REALLY good advice given so far...

You mention wanting to get young children involved so hopefully I can add something useful. Please be aware of an accident scenario which is more common than you think: child back over. I used to have a job where I would see these cases. Child back over and blade contact cases are simply horrible. One thing that they often have in common is that children were given tractor rides often by family members. The issue isn't that they didn't have a jump seat and fell off... the issue is that it teaches that tractors are fun. Accident goes like this: parent is out doing tractor work, toddler is being supervised, child disappears for a moment and approaches the machine from the rear wanting another ride. Operator not aware the child is present. Often the operator is a parent of the child. Can you imagine?

Even if you are considering a cab tractor, I would be very mindful of your children's involvement around the machinery until you and your wife are comfortable with their maturity and abilities. Hope this helps!
 
   / Is it possible to go too big? #50  
I didn't have the luxury of going with a bigger machine. Had just bought 40 acres and had all sorts of grandiose ideas: initially I thought that I didn't want a tractor- do things on a manual level- HA HA! I bought a used B7800 Kubota and had it before even moving on to the property.

My saving grace was having read the advice to live on a piece of property through a full seasonal cycle in order to best understand it: at a minimum I'd say!

If you don't know whether you have swampy areas or not then you cannot possibly know how the land can be worked. I've lived here for a full 10 years now and I still haven't been able to get to some areas.

This picture was taken as I walked the property (late summer). The person there is/was my real estate agent and friend. Hard to come up with a bigger piece of equipment than a logging skidder (which made the tracks shown below). BIG machines can do BIG damage. Took me hours one afternoon to smoothen things out: done with my B7800.

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Years later (excavator used to deal with some stumps, but otherwise ALL B7800 work):

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I cannot possibly overstate how big the "unknowns" were. I would have been trying to bite off a lot of unknowns if I'd gone whole-hog on things. Following shows us (well, my wife shows up) salvaging firewood. Most everything was totally hidden. Not a clue what the terrain was. NOTE: even knowing the terrain doesn't guarantee that you can be safe- I got a 9k lb excavator stuck in an area that I KNEW- my B7800 had been in that same area w/o getting stuck. Slow work, but quick can tend to produce shoddy results.
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And today (taken further back and centering more to the right), some 8 years later (most done with the B7800; now managed with the NX5510):
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Just a sampling of the work that has been done. This has all been in my "spare" time. My main points are:

1) KNOW what you're facing before trying to tackle it- best to do a LOT of probing- my wife and I carved out a lot of exploratory paths using hand tools, much swinging machetes!
2) Develop a plan on what you're going to do and then PLAN MORE (took five years to do the fencing around our homestead area- roughly 6 acres worth);
3) Don't expect to do "it" "this year." <- Rush and you're going to end up doing a lot of second guessing (and if you break machinery over a poorly planned affair it'll only make you more distraught).

So for me, my tiny B7800 was able to do an amazing amount of work: it kept me from being too hasty- slower allowed me time to think hard about what I was doing. I'd have to say that this tractor is as close to commercial-grade as you can get on a smaller tractor- nearly indestructible (can't say that about my NX5510). I rented excavators to remove big stuff: most of the time I would dig and bury stumps- I have pictures, but I don't want them made public lest they be used against me (I'm only partially kidding).

On a wider-open operation and an area with slower growing grass I wouldn't give a second thought about a telehandler (such as Xfaxman has). They're awesome machines (Merlo has machines which can readily replace tractors). But, as I've learned, there are things that a specialized piece of equipment is called for -such as a large excavator- and if one shells out a lot for one piece of equipment then that strains the purse for such rentals. My thought is that one buys equipment for the 80%, knowing that one is going to push that closer to 90% (on the edge of the seat operations!), and then rents for the other 80%. But note that one has to KNOW what that 80% is to start with!

Lastly, knowing your land and developing a firm plan will allow you to identify one-off projects in which the rental of task-specific machinery is better suited. It's easy to accumulate machinery, and the more of that you have the more time you're maintaining it.
 

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