John Deere 110 vs Kubota M59

[dsgsr]

Be careful, If you are going to be trailering that much weight on a trailer that will be legal on the interstate, you want to make sure you have the proper license. Cargo + Chains and binders+ trailer weight cannot exceed 10,000 lbs unless you have a Class A drivers lic.

I have never rented a trailer so I cannot guess-ta-met a price. But If I was hired to haul I would charge $2.50 a loaded mile, That might give you an Idea what a rented trailer might be.


David

 

[Martian]

Be careful, If you are going to be trailering that much weight on a trailer that will be legal on the interstate, you want to make sure you have the proper license. Cargo + Chains and binders+ trailer weight cannot exceed 10,000 lbs unless you have a Class A drivers lic.

I have never rented a trailer so I cannot guess-ta-met a price. But If I was hired to haul I would charge $2.50 a loaded mile, That might give you an Idea what a rented trailer might be.


David

As you can see from my Avatar I have plenty of tow power. GMC 4500 and is plated at 24000. I'm sure the 110 wouldn't weigh over 10000. If they want to give me a ticket so be it. I'm more concerned about safety and not driving a 110 on my trailer and then making it a drop deck trailer if you know what I mean!

 

[DK35vince]

As you can see from my Avatar I have plenty of tow power. GMC 4500 and is plated at 24000. I'm sure the 110 wouldn't weigh over 10000. If they want to give me a ticket so be it.

Don't forget you have to add the weight of the trailer.
My 10,000 lb trailer weighs 3000 lbs empty.
3000lb trailer plus a 7000lb TLB max out my allowable 10,000lb

 

[dsgsr]

As you can see from my Avatar I have plenty of tow power. GMC 4500 and is plated at 24000. I'm sure the 110 wouldn't weigh over 10000. If they want to give me a ticket so be it. I'm more concerned about safety and not driving a 110 on my trailer and then making it a drop deck trailer if you know what I mean!

Where towers get into trouble in my State. The weigh police take into count the Gross Vehicle weight Rating (GVWR) plus the Gross trailer weight rating and add the two together. Take My truck as an example. The Gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of my Ford 550 is 17,950 lbs. If I have a trailer attached that has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs, weather it actually weighs that or not I am over the 26,000 lbs of a Class-C lic. so I must have a Class-B lic. If the trailers GVWR is 10,001 lbs or more, I must have a Class-A lic. It doesn't matter if you actually weigh less, if that vehicle is tagged from the company that built it as 10,001 lbs or more that is what the Law Enforcement officers go buy. It's what you could possibly weigh that they are concerned with.


David

 

[jenkinsph]

First a 110tlb weighs about 7600 lbs with the backhoe configuration, I weighed mine about a week ago with 72hd loader bucket 18" rear bucket, cab and 1/2 tank of fuel was 8080 lbs without operator.

The configuration on Deere's website with loader and rear boxblade is 7200 lbs. That puts the tractor fel and 3ph close to 6000 lbs. If I take the front bucket off it is very close to the weight of my 4520 cab with weights.

I would attempt to sell the trailer and tractor you have if possible and buy a 12,000 lb bumper pull 20' which would weigh about 2600-2800 lbs. That would allow you to take a grapple and or additional implement with you. If I had it to do again I would go with a 14,000 lb trailer same configuration, these weigh close to 3,000 lbs and have an 11,000 lb payload for a few bucks more.

You might sell the 7k trailer outright or trade it in on a newer larger trailer. Either way you need a larger trailer as the 7k trailer won't cut it.

 

[two_bit_score]

Yep... very nice TLB! :thumbsup:

If Deere doesn't come out with a replacement machine for the 110 - I might be looking very seriously at the M59 in a few years.

AKfish

Who knows what will be available in a few years? I'd like to see the 110stay the same basic size but just get more power.

 

[jenkinsph]

While I am running an F550 with a rating of 19,000 lbs and often pull my dump trailer with a rating of 14,000 lbs for a total of 33,000 lbs rating which matches the trucks gcwr of 33,000 I have never been stopped and driven past a many dot officer. Now some states are different and crossing state lines would open a can of worms but worst case scenario you would get a class A license.

Driving what looks like a pickup of sorts and a compact tlb shouldn't be an issue in most states. Last year when I hauled my 110 to Durango CO for a months work I used my F250 for that trip that was legal where the safer F550 was not. Sounds stupid but that is the law.

 

[Martian]

Thanks for all the input. I definitely won't be pulling it with my trailer. Whether I get a new trailer I'm not as sure about. I still have stuff that I tote around on it but I don't do this for a living so I don't "need" my own trailer. If I can't rent for a lot less the 5 times a year I need it then I think that may be the way I go. That is still to be determined. If I did I would go for a new trailer I would go with the 14k just to be safe. I know the feeling of buying to small and having to upgrade!

Although the "right" thing to do in this situation would be to get my CDL but what all is to that? Is it just a test or do I need to take an actual class? For the couple times a year I'm going to tote this around I'll take a ticket if they want me that bad but I don't have the time to go take a class.

 

[dsgsr]

In My state you don't have too take a class. I went to my local DMV, (Department of Motor Vehicle) got the CDL study manual. Read it at least 3-times (I don't remember well) Sent in for the written test, got my permit. Read the manual some more, sent in for my Road test. got my Brother (who is a CDL-A) too go with me, this is a must. Took the road test with my 550 and 6-ton trailer (trailer, which by the way is for sale), passed. Now I have a CDL-A. The one thing I did also was too set up the trailer backing test (it shows you in the manual how to) and practice a few times.


David

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

For your fact finding, we just traded an L45 with 75 hours on it. Priced at 32k. Was a hobby user, moved up to an M59.

 

[Martian]

In My state you don't have too take a class. I went to my local DMV, (Department of Motor Vehicle) got the CDL study manual. Read it at least 3-times (I don't remember well) Sent in for the written test, got my permit. Read the manual some more, sent in for my Road test. got my Brother (who is a CDL-A) too go with me, this is a must. Took the road test with my 550 and 6-ton trailer (trailer, which by the way is for sale), passed. Now I have a CDL-A. The one thing I did also was too set up the trailer backing test (it shows you in the manual how to) and practice a few times.

David

If that's all that's too it I would think of doing that. I was just assuming there was a class and such to it. If its just a test and a drive then I see that as a possibility

For your fact finding, we just traded an L45 with 75 hours on it. Priced at 32k. Was a hobby user, moved up to an M59.

That's probably a little out of my budget for now but it does have about 1600 hours less than what I'm looking at now! Does it have all the hydro options?

 

[AKfish]

I'd be very surprised if my 110 is not just over 8,000lbs. With the HD 20" hoe bucket, the QA attachment, the hyd thumb, the belly pan, the stabilizer shields.

My first trailer was a 22' - 14K tilt-bed. Really liked everything about the trailer - except the fenders! Loading and unloading plywood, dimension lumber, etc. on/off that trailer was more than I could tolerate!!

Went to a 23' - 15.7K gooseneck deck-over trailer. Now, I can use those forks the way they're supposed to be used... :thumbsup:

I agree with MartianTractorMan's view of "going bigger". Better to have more trailer than be right at the limit.

Besides, if you upgrade to the M59 - you'll be alright there, too.

Just have to take a written exam and driver's test up here for a CDL. (I've got the book.. just have to work up the gumption!) Something I've been kicking around for several year's now. With a bigger tractor and bigger equipment (MoCo) it's about time.

AKfish

 

[Martian]

I'd be very surprised if my 110 is not just over 8,000lbs. With the HD 20" hoe bucket, the QA attachment, the hyd thumb, the belly pan, the stabilizer shields.

My first trailer was a 22' - 14K tilt-bed. Really liked everything about the trailer - except the fenders! Loading and unloading plywood, dimension lumber, etc. on/off that trailer was more than I could tolerate!!

Went to a 23' - 15.7K gooseneck deck-over trailer. Now, I can use those forks the way they're supposed to be used... :thumbsup:

I agree with MartianTractorMan's view of "going bigger". Better to have more trailer than be right at the limit.

Besides, if you upgrade to the M59 - you'll be alright there, too.

Just have to take a written exam and driver's test up here for a CDL. (I've got the book.. just have to work up the gumption!) Something I've been kicking around for several year's now. With a bigger tractor and bigger equipment (MoCo) it's about time.

AKfish

I would go with a gooseneck but don't always have a pickup. My pickup (F250) shares its life between me and my parents. Although were only miles down the road from each other it sure is nice not to have that reliance. My 4500 isn't able to haul a gooseneck because the 4x4 option adds about 6" onto the 2x4 platform and I got larger tires which brings it up even higher so a gooseneck wouldn't fit. I have a 10" chrome drop hitch that was about $250 for that thing just to pull it - it's almost to tall! But I don't like the reliance and would rather just have a trailer. I have been looking at some tag trailers though. They do have the flat deck and I see used ones on CL for pretty cheap. Still not sure on the trailer situation.

I had to work later again tonight but I will call tomorrow for sure. I have been still looking around so I don't get to focused in on just this one and find a better deal and I found this one. It is more money but it is new and has 1000 less hours. It doesn't mention if it has the 3 rear remotes but I would doubt it. I was wondering how much that the three remotes would be, and they probably couldn't be the "factory" remotes could they? Also how much is a thumb as it doesn't have one? Think I still like the other, just trying to keep my options open.
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[Martian]

In My state you don't have too take a class. I went to my local DMV, (Department of Motor Vehicle) got the CDL study manual. Read it at least 3-times (I don't remember well) Sent in for the written test, got my permit. Read the manual some more, sent in for my Road test. got my Brother (who is a CDL-A) too go with me, this is a must. Took the road test with my 550 and 6-ton trailer (trailer, which by the way is for sale), passed. Now I have a CDL-A. The one thing I did also was too set up the trailer backing test (it shows you in the manual how to) and practice a few times.


David

Thanks for the info David. I would be considering your trailer if and when I end up getting a 110. Wouldn't want to jump the gun though:thumbsup:

 

[CurlyDave]

.. Also how much is a thumb as it doesn't have one? ...

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My Addington thumb was ~$1800. I think there was shipping on top of that and then $100 or so to get a mounting plate welded on the dipperstick.

That was 4 or so years ago, so I would add something. $2000 to $2500 installed would be just about right.

 

[AKfish]

It doesn't mention if it has the 3 rear remotes but I would doubt it. I was wondering how much that the three remotes would be, and they probably couldn't be the "factory" remotes could they? Also how much is a thumb as it doesn't have one? Think I still like the other, just trying to keep my options open.
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Tractor looks to be a pretty straight machine. The 4n1 looks well used... but not abused. Pretty sure that the hoe has the 7th function - appears that the coupler ends are near the top of the dipper arm.

Hard to say about the rear SCV's - whether the machine has them or not. They are OEM and not available as parts; per se. The "end around" for them could be achieved with an add on 3-spool hyd valve body and quick disconnects. You would plumb the 3-spool valve into the backhoe, Power-Beyond Circuit. You could easily find ways to spend another $7-800 for parts on that project - never mind your time!

The list cost for the thumb was close to $2,500. One caveat, however. I couldn't tell if the hoe has a Q/A bucket. Gotta have the Q/A with the thumb install. Pin-on bucket = no thumb. I don't remember what the Q/A hoe bucket was - but - of course, it was "optional".

No mention in the listing about the 3pt hardware, either. Regular hardware from a 4000 series machine is gonna be in the neighborhood of $1,500 or so.

When you start factoring in these additional costs - it makes finding a machine with those options "installed" a much, much better buy!

AKfish

 

[Martian]

Tractor looks to be a pretty straight machine. The 4n1 looks well used... but not abused. Pretty sure that the hoe has the 7th function - appears that the coupler ends are near the top of the dipper arm.

Hard to say about the rear SCV's - whether the machine has them or not. They are OEM and not available as parts; per se. The "end around" for them could be achieved with an add on 3-spool hyd valve body and quick disconnects. You would plumb the 3-spool valve into the backhoe, Power-Beyond Circuit. You could easily find ways to spend another $7-800 for parts on that project - never mind your time!

The list cost for the thumb was close to $2,500. One caveat, however. I couldn't tell if the hoe has a Q/A bucket. Gotta have the Q/A with the thumb install. Pin-on bucket = no thumb. I don't remember what the Q/A hoe bucket was - but - of course, it was "optional".

No mention in the listing about the 3pt hardware, either. Regular hardware from a 4000 series machine is gonna be in the neighborhood of $1,500 or so.

When you start factoring in these additional costs - it makes finding a machine with those options "installed" a much, much better buy!

AKfish

Yea, wow. Didn't even think of some of those things. By the sounds of it I'd be paying close to $7k more with all the stuff to be added. I don't like the sounds of that.

I'll be sure to update after I call the dealer

 

[davygp38]

Quote "My 4500 isn't able to haul a gooseneck because the 4x4 option adds about 6" onto the 2x4 platform and I got larger tires which brings it up even higher so a gooseneck wouldn't fit. I have a 10" chrome drop hitch that was about $250 for that thing just to pull it - it's almost to tall!"

I have a 20+5 Gatormade 22.5k gooseneck trailer, and I can tell you that the gooseneck itself is adjustable up and down for height. I see semis pulling goosenecks all the time. I realize you have an ultra custom truck, but I would check on a gooseneck all the same.

 

[jenkinsph]

Trailers can get expensive fast and when you are on a budget it depends alot on what you can find used or new that is good enough to haul your tractor safely. when buying my 110 I bought a Bix Tex 12PI 12k, 20ft with spare and slide in ramps about $3000 new. Will have had this for 7 years in Febuary and no complaints.

Lots of people make this style trailer and while it is irritating to move some materials it is easier with others so there is some give and take. I like the fact that the deck is low which keeps the cog lower too. Tires are outside the floor and spaced full width.

Here is a link to the 14PI which is only 2990 lbs and is the one I would buy if I had it to do all over again. This allows for an 11,000 lb payload in as light a trailer as you will find. Look at bigtextrailers.com http://bigtextrailers.com/pdf/14pi.pdf

 

[Martian]

Alright, just got off the phone with the dealer. Said everything was in good working condition and ready to go, only problem is he wouldn't take a trade in on mine because of the distance. That is another PITA to have to sell it, much easier to trade it in. Didn't want to have to deal with shipping there and back. We'll have to see where this goes because any of the others are even further and if they won't trade in anyway then I'll be in the same situation. Ever heard of this?