Kubota BX series ridiculous transmission

[alchemysa]

Maybe its faulty.

(Just kiddin')

 

[whatever1]

If all this "normal" and operator related.... Then answer this...why did they change "fix" it on the BX-25 ....

 

[manonthehill]

Many people apparently lack one or more of: equipment operational knowledge, skills, common sense, appendage coordination, and other characteristics necessary to operate machinery. These same types of people suffered "...sudden, unintended acceleration...", reported underpowered 5 cylinder automobiles going 50 mph in reverse out of parking spaces, supposedly with foot on brake, ...they stick their hands in obvious pinch points, ...and injure themselves with ballpoint pens. They tag everything as a "safety issue" and the rest of the world gets to live with design changes that work poorly but still do not protect the group of incompetents from themselves. I agree with others who have stated that most of these should recognize their inabilities and stick to the recliner, if they can do so without hurting themselves.

I have an almost 40 year old Wheel Horse hydrostatic yard tractor that will raise the front end at least a foot if operated in reverse and suddenly released to neutral as someone described above as "removing my foot" or something like that. I have raised the wheels in skid steer vehicles as well. You do it once and adapt your technique.

If I drove my truck with the same lack of control (ineptness?) most in the "unsafe group" describe, there is no doubt I could leave a wake of carnage behind me. Do I need government regulations or engineering changes to "protect" me? No!

Knitting requires sharp objects and is therefore dangerous to some. For those, should the the needles be redesigned to prevent injury? I think not, any more so than I think most of what is defined in this thread is a problem that needs serious "fixing." Tractors, lawn mowers, scissors, knitting instruments, and other dangers should be avoided by those without the necessary skills. If you have a gasoline powered push mower, you will indeed inflict pain if you put your foot under the deck with the engine running. You can still do so with the blade brake design, so removing the blade is the best answer, but please pay someone to do it. There is no nice way to say this. Sorry, but you can't fix some things. There is a song describing at least one of them.

Kubie Two,

As original poster, you are way off base regarding this thread. This is not a safety thread, ambulance-chaser thread or stupid operator thread. They seem like good thread ideas and maybe you should start one.

This thread was only done as a visual indication of a well known problem with the BX 50 series transmission. The existence of the problem is acknowledged by Kubota through attempted fixes, buy-backs, and eventually a redesign (60 series).

Your unfounded personal attacks sounds like you might be dealing with some issues yourself. Good luck with that.

 

[KubieTwo]

Kubie Two,

As original poster, you are way off base regarding this thread. This is not a safety thread, ambulance-chaser thread or stupid operator thread. They seem like good thread ideas and maybe you should start one.

This thread was only done as a visual indication of a well known problem with the BX 50 series transmission. The existence of the problem is acknowledged by Kubota through attempted fixes, buy-backs, and eventually a redesign (60 series).

Your unfounded personal attacks sounds like you might be dealing with some issues yourself. Good luck with that.

The opinions were expressed after "many" people had the opportunity to present their thoughts, and the sum of these became the basis for my conclusions. My comments opened with use of the word 杜any as well, however with the intent of including some and excluding some. The comments also suggested operational expectations were adversely impacted for 杜any by at least one or more characteristics. This provided a multiple-choice selection of a lot of things to consider, none of which were personal. As they read, all can decide they are very capable equipment operators (rightly or wrongly), so NONE of the comments would apply to those who considered themselves experts. Others might conclude that they are indeed missing knowledge or skill that could be improved. They might recognize their ability to modulate the automobile accelerator to avoid crashing into the car in front of them, or their ability to apply brakes without smoking the tires, and conclude improved skills and knowledge could assist with tractor operation. Rather than continuing to believe hydrostatic drives are automatic transmissions, and forward/reverse controls are equivalent to accelerators, they learn the differences and adjust operational actions based on the new understanding. Skills improve and equipment reactions more closely match expectations. Teen drivers could be used as an analogy on one extreme and VERY elderly drivers on the other...

Others might skip tractor comments completely and conclude that every comment made by anybody who did not agree with them was a personal attack, focused directly at them. These are all unconstrained, individually driven selections. Books have been written to discuss the concepts of perceived persecution so there is no need to go there because my comments were never directed to a single individual or group of individuals, nor were they ever personal. The transition, if any was made, took place within the reader.

I make no apologies for any comments made. These forums offer everybody the ability to express opinions that may not agree with others. I still think there is more than enough evidence presented in the thread to conclude that tractor ownership is likely beyond the capabilities of some. Interesting word 都ome. Like 杜any? it does not mean the same as 殿ll. I did not select any to be put on this list. Nor did I select any as having 妬ssues ?f any description. Any who put themselves on a list or lists did so on their own. I am certainly not qualified to decide who has personality issues, or who has total operational ineptness, or who might just need a 鍍weak. However, if they chose to put themselves on a list, who am I to argue? From the overall thread, there is also the possibility that some have learned that skills improvements can be helpful to them. Most of us read these threads to try to make ourselves better in some aspect.

I could close by saying I never had any kind of tool, tractor, implement, vehicle?hat didn稚 have things that could be made better, but I have always been able to do with it pretty much whatever I wanted to do. If any of these failed to meet my expectations because of something I could do better, I made more progress by improving myself than hoping for some immediate engineering fix. Almost everything that has ever been invented has gotten better over time, for a multitude of reasons that shouldn稚 need explaining here. Years later, and models later, there are ALWAYS opportunities for improvement.

I stand by the opinions earlier expressed and repeat that each is free to measure your own capabilities as you see fit. If you shouldn稚 own and operate a tractor, your ability to recognize that fact may be very similar to that of an elderly person who no longer possesses the required skills to own and drive an automobile. Both will be certain they have the necessary skills and nothing written here is likely to change that. Such is..

Although "feelings" and "issues" are a bit out of place here, practicing psychologists have always been free to interject their 兎xpert issue-analysis. I am probably older than most who post here, so be aware I am not into PC or into psycho-babble. I probably won't take any comments personal, even if intended. I am already well aware of the things I do well, and at least a lot of those I don稚, so if diagnosing 妬ssues soothes your own nerves, have at it. 溺any who read these posts will interpret content and form their own opinions of who has what. There will be some who support my position and some who don't. That was expected from the beginning.

 

[fish6942]

KubieTwo: It's quite possible that the operator in the video in the original post was well aware of the proper and expected method of operating his tractor. It seemed apparent to me that this was simply an attempt to exemplify (through exaggeration) a known design flaw in the machine.

The short story is this: Kubota KNOWS it is a flaw (as evidenced by the fix in the 50 series replacement) and has chosen to do virtually NOTHING about it for existing owners. If Kubota was stepping up to correct this then you would not be seeing these threads.

Every time I stop in reverse I have to make a concentrated effort to properly let off of the pedal (good luck with that when doing FEL work in bumpy terrain). It shouldn't be this way. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, reverse should stop like forward - end of story.

 

[Zick]

If all this "normal" and operator related.... Then answer this...why did they change "fix" it on the BX-25 ....

Exactly, it was not this way before the 50 series and it not this way after the 50 series.
This is a design flaw and whether or not it is a safety issue is personal preference IMO.

 

[BX24FOR5]

Originally Posted by whatever1
If all this "normal" and operator related.... Then answer this...why did they change "fix" it on the BX-25 ....

Exactly, it was not this way before the 50 series and it not this way after the 50 series.
This is a design flaw and whether or not it is a safety issue is personal preference IMO.

This is an engineering,design, flaw that Kubota will not fix because of obvious ECONOMIC REASONS!

If this happened on your American Car most you guys would be Bit--ing up a storm about the poor quality vehicle they made.

 

[manonthehill]

KubieTwo,

I couldn't follow or understand what you were talking about. I'll say it again, you need to make your own thread and leave this one to owners of BX 50 series CUTs.

Thanks!

 

[bx24]

If all this "normal" and operator related.... Then answer this...why did they change "fix" it on the BX-25 ....

Whatever has it right. I won't speak to the video, but I know that this was quite a pain when I was carrying FEL loads of wet concrete from the truck to the pour spot. The first several times I when from R to F, a wave of concrete slopped out of the bucket. I ended up shifting into neutral and then using the brake to stop it from happening.

Is this unsafe? That is open to opinion and measured by degrees, but I assure all of you that it is more unsafe than a bx23 or bx25 given that you don't have as much control coming to a smooth stop. I have never had the issue of popping a big wheelie (although my front wheels have come off the ground), but there has been many a time when I was lifting a large object with a chain using the FEL and the load got swinging much more than I wanted it to.

One of the earlier comments went along the lines that if this were a real issue, Kubota would do a recall or address it with owners. This may happen in a perfect world, but given how many are out there and what it would cost, unless multiple people starting getting killed, they have already addressed it in their minds by solving the problem with the bx25 - in this economy, no corporation goes looking for ways to spend earnings. Most companies with the largest market share have the best customer service .... I love this machine, so I live with its less than perfect features.

 

[radioman]

Whatever has it right. I won't speak to the video, but I know that this was quite a pain when I was carrying FEL loads of wet concrete from the truck to the pour spot. The first several times I when from R to F, a wave of concrete slopped out of the bucket. I ended up shifting into neutral and then using the brake to stop it from happening.

Is this unsafe? That is open to opinion and measured by degrees, but I assure all of you that it is more unsafe than a bx23 or bx25 given that you don't have as much control coming to a smooth stop. I have never had the issue of popping a big wheelie (although my front wheels have come off the ground), but there has been many a time when I was lifting a large object with a chain using the FEL and the load got swinging much more than I wanted it to.

One of the earlier comments went along the lines that if this were a real issue, Kubota would do a recall or address it with owners. This may happen in a perfect world, but given how many are out there and what it would cost, unless multiple people starting getting killed, they have already addressed it in their minds by solving the problem with the bx25 - in this economy, no corporation goes looking for ways to spend earnings. Most companies with the largest market share have the best customer service .... I love this machine, so I live with its less than perfect features.

shifting into neutral while still moving in reverse?! I thought the hi/lo needs a complete stop in order to shift without grinding gears. I noticed the BX's cannot shift on the fly, the though of you doing that makes me shudder. You probably got it "trained" to do what you want and I hope it stays that way. When you say is it safe? IMHO, I say it probably safer then the reverse jerk. Now the question here is how much is the tranny for the BX25 and does the mounting points match up on the BX24 ? Would this be a ok fix ?