l3830, tc40da, 1533massey

911ram · Mar 21, 2005

Hi all . Well I narrowed it down to these three models there all about 40 horse and I can't make up my mind,

The new holland and the massey are real close and the kubota is about 60 miles away, Massey has the best offer 0.9 percent for 36 months but I like the strength of the new holland and the kubota on lifting weight any way does anybody have any thoughts>?

Oh ya the kubota has the the gst, the new holland has the hydro and the massey has the clutch any Ideas thanks in advance /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

JerryG · Mar 22, 2005

To get to 40 hp, you would have to look at a MF 1540v.

jinman · Mar 22, 2005

I'm a NH guy, so I'll tell you up front what I like about the NH and you have to make up your mind if that is an issue with you.

The following features of the NH are superior IMO:
1. Operator layout with brakes on left and HST pedals on the right.
2. FEL joystick on the NH has dual-speed buttons for instant gear changes.
3. Sloping hood that lets you see what you are doing better than any other standard layout tractor I've seen.
4. Gas tank behind operator's platform for easy access.
5. Ability to add-on remote hydraulic valves one at a time up to maximum of 3.
6. 16LA loader - I just like it a lot and it has great visibility.
7. A very well thought-out front grill guard bumper that folds down.
8. A hood with a screen built-in to keep debris out of the radiator.
9. One latch and the hood rotates up and open for complete access to the engine, radiator, and battery
10. It's blue. I like blue. Even TBN's webpage is mostly blue. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

edski · Mar 22, 2005

Not no more Jim...
After your "10. It's blue. I like blue. Even TBN's webpage is mostly blue. " comment I went and changed my page layout to the Kubota theme.
Ahhh...orange, and lovely earthtones.
Cheers, edski

_RaT_ · Mar 22, 2005

I looked at the Kubota, JD and NH when I purchased my tractor. If your going HST, I like the way the Kubotas hydrostatic is designed. It is easily the smoothest. For GST there is only one manufactuer making that and it does work very well especially the new model on the L30's. For Shuttles, I have not found a tractor brand that I did not like. Jim makes a good point about the brake pedals, if you do snow removal or have a need for differential braking, the only way to do it on the HST Kubota is basically with cruise control which is very easy but only in forward. I personally never use it as we get no snow and to use it on my grass areas would be analgous to using a rototiller, it does tear up the turf. HST does tend to lessen the need for it. As far as color, I due tend to prefer colors other then orange but I can live with it. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I think TBN is mostly white /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

txdon · Mar 22, 2005

What! No Kubota HST in the choices. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif I will reluctantly have to recommend blue (for my particular needs anyway with a lot of trail and FEL work). By the way, what are your uses for the tractor?

jinman · Mar 22, 2005

( Not no more Jim...
After your "10. It's blue. I like blue. Even TBN's webpage is mostly blue. " comment I went and changed my page layout to the Kubota theme.
Ahhh...orange, and lovely earthtones.
Cheers, edski )

/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I L-O-V-E your response, edski. I have this mental picture of hundreds of Kubota drivers now changing their colors because of my comment. Ahhh... the power of suggestion. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

hazmat · Mar 22, 2005

I L-O-V-E your response, edski. I have this mental picture of hundreds of Kubota drivers now changing their colors because of my comment. Ahhh... the power of suggestion. 

I can see the obituary now... Jim was a very influential man - he made hundreds change their tbn colors because of one comment.... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

To answer the question - you're not comparing apples to apples. Figure out which tranny you like & then compare amongst the different brands. I'd choose on dealer service before tractor specs.

A couple years ago, I'd say the NH was a couple steps above the Kubota & Deere offerings in the 40 HP range, but both Deere & Kubota have come out with new models recently. I'm not familiar with Massey...

_RaT_ · Mar 22, 2005

I always figured James would have a headstone that epitomized his life, "Mr No Joy, Joy Stick". As nice as the Blue rigs are, when it comes to HST, they are not quite there yet. Throw in the curved arm loaders, the intstantly selectable range, the slanted hood, the allure of blue and I'm still orange.

Jim, a true professional...

I think it's time to dig out the No Joy Joystick.

Jim, a true gentleman!

ksmmoto · Mar 22, 2005

I had changed my TBN color to Kubota orange several months ago after I found out about the option. Had to think about the blue color as I am so used to orange.

ksmmoto

911ram · Mar 23, 2005

Thanks for all the replys, I plan on using it on 5 ac in the desert, to spread dirt ,gravel, horse crap, and just keep up the place and move dirt sticks weeds maybe some snow once every 5 years, also some fel work and some scraper stuff, I guess I made a mistake when I said it was hst on the nh , Its not but I don't know what to call it. It has low med high on the left fender and a forword and reverse next to steering wheel and also next to the steering wheel is the 1-4 gear selector,

Also the dealer seems nice and Is real close he said 21000.00 for the tractor and 16a loader is this a good deal ?

Sorry for rambling on but I only want to buy this once

_RaT_ · Mar 23, 2005

That would be a shuttle. The LMH on the left fender is a range selector. You end up with 12 forward/reverse speeds. We have a NH 2120 with a 12X12 shuttle. You find a couple of gears and typically use them. For many folks, and it depends on the tractor, medium range in 1 or 2 for loader work, for digging with the tractor I usually drop into one of the lowest gears and for traversing or on the road, I will use high range in 1st or 2nd. You don't really find yourself shifiting gears to much once under way even though it is quite easy to do. Try the GST on the Kubota, it is slick.

jinman · Mar 23, 2005

( I guess I made a mistake when I said it was hst on the nh , Its not but I don't know what to call it. )

Uh-oh... That kinda levels the playing field. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif If the NH is a shuttle-shift and the Kubota is a GST, I think you're talking about a strict roll of the dice to determine which one. Check the specs, check what makes you feel best on layout, consider your dealers and the "deal," and go for it. Whatever you decide will be what's best for you. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

txdon · Mar 23, 2005

Yep, blue without HST, now I would go orange. I was just wondering if you wanted to save money or do you prefer gear. After using both I am totally spoiled on HST.

PineRidge · Mar 23, 2005

I think I would jump ship to get a HST regardless of color. Our HST spoiled me big time.

911ram · Mar 23, 2005

Well I'm a little gunshy of the hst I have a ingersoll-rand back hoe that is hst and ive had a few problems with it like when it gets hot (the oil) it runs like crap and if you want to do any thing you have to be at wot, That was the only reason I thought I should get a geared unit any more thoughts? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

_RaT_ · Mar 24, 2005

I have yet to hear of folks with Kubota, Deeres, New Hollands or Kioti's have this issue. I simply cannot get my Kubota L3830 with a hydrostatic tranmission to get the oil hot. I have dragged a boxscraper with the rippers down up hills (thats about all I have) on days over 100 degrees all day and I simply cannot get the oil hot enough to the point where I cannot grab a hold of the hydraulic oil filters. I check every now and then just to see how hot things are getting. My performance does not change from start to finish, at least, not noticeably so.

JerryG · Mar 24, 2005

I am a devout gear guy, but I want to say one thing about the heating of the hydro oil. It would take a long hard pull (read very hard pull as in using all of the hp available) to heat the oil enough to do damage. As anytime the implement is lifted, that is a cooling cycle. Most if not all hydro owners here don't have that hard of pulls and those that do, have a very short hard pull cycle with the cooling cycle (turn around) being of the same length or greater. That is why most hydro owners here never, never over heat the oil. Having said the above, it is up to your preference and your preference only, if you fall into the above.

_RaT_ · Mar 24, 2005

I would suspect you are right. Of course, if your doing long, long hard pulls, your probably going to be a bit more productive with something other then a compact and with that of course you will be using some type of gear tractor no doubt. If you are using a compact to do your farm, I would agree, a gear tractor would be the more logical, sensible choice. Now, how many folks at TBN does that actually apply to? I suspect a handful at best. No doubt though, if you like a gear type tractor, I would certainly think that that is the most important criteria you need to meet.

JerryG · Mar 24, 2005

Rat,
This was just to try to put it to rest that heat was a problem for most hydro compacts. What is the problem? It seems as though I stepped on your toes or something. I was agreeing with you that heat wouldn't be a problem.