Loader stuck up high

[pattycake]

Loader stuck up high - SOLVED !!

My not-so-favorite son-in-law got my new 3 month old Massey Ferguson 1735M tractor stuck in waist deep sticky clay mud. It's still stuck and we are slowly getting it out but... during the process, the loader has quit working - it's stuck in the high position. The bucket will still "tilt" but the loader does nothing. I checked the hydraulic lines and while they are caked with 6 inches of mud, they seem to be still connected.

When I try to lower or raise the bucket, the engine strains a tad and then I stop trying.

Any ideas?

-pat-

 

[ptsg]

It most likely popped one of the quick disconnects for the lines out.

That's usually a symptom for that. It might still look attached but it's probably not fully seated. You might want to re-check that. But with the loader in the air, it's under pressure and will be very hard to get it to connect again.

 

[pattycake]

I learned the trick to relieve the pressure - handle of a pair of plyers. Messy, but it will relieve the pressure.

 

[ptsg]

That works when the loader is on the ground but up high, it can be dangerous as it will keep pressurized until it will touch the ground.

 

[lpakiz]

Wedge an 8’ (or whatever fits) 2 by 4 under the loader to take the weight. Set the brakes. Turn off the engine.
Wrap the male tip with a couple layers of rag and stab it briskly against something hard, or strike it with a hammer a couple times, to depress the little tip.
Oil will fly and drip on the ground, but this will relieve the pressure.
Then wiggle the control handle from raise to lower several times, to relieve pressure on the female half the coupler.
Clean off the mud off of both components. You don’t want even a tiny bit of abrasive junk in the hydraulic system.
Should connect normally now. Good luck!

 

[lpakiz]

Yes, with tractor off, brakes set and suspected coupler disconnected..
For your loader, it shouldn’t be too hard to just follow the hose from the base end of the lift cylinder back to the stationary half of the coupling set. And if it really is dislodged, it will stick out a quarter inch further than the other three. Further, a light tug won’t disconnect a properly seated coupler, but your partially disconnected one should easily pop out.
This all assumes that it really is a disconnected coupler. And it sounds like the classic symptom of disconnected coupler.
I believe the top one on my 1754 is “loader up” and the next one down is “loader lower”, so you want to relieve pressure on the lift or up hose. The bottom two are for bucket curl.
This does not help you (yet) but I wrapped a different colored zip tie on each set of hoses/stationary coupler halves. So red goes to red, yellow to yellow, etc

 

[pattycake]

What's the possibility that the issue is the connector at the bucket itself? The whole bucket is caked in about 3 inches of mud right now so I can't see any connections - gonna take a ton of paper towels and spray cleaner down to the tractor when it gets light to start checking things. btw: Tractor is still stuck.

 

[Egon]

Is it possible to check the joystick to ensure all is connected.

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[pattycake]

when I move the joystick, I hear the engine "idle down" like it is trying to move the bucket but no, I cannot see where it actually connects to the joystick - it is housed in plastic cover

 

[pattycake]

Is it possible to check the joystick to ensure all is connected.

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[Ron of Va]

The loader cylinders put pressure on the lines and disconnects when it is raised off the ground. Put a 2x4 under the bucket and use a floor jack to lift the bucket which takes the pressure off the lines. Then you will be able to connect or disconnect them to trouble shoot the problem.

 

[pattycake]

Yes, with tractor off, brakes set and suspected coupler disconnected..
For your loader, it shouldn稚 be too hard to just follow the hose from the base end of the lift cylinder back to the stationary half of the coupling set. And if it really is dislodged, it will stick out a quarter inch further than the other three. Further, a light tug won稚 disconnect a properly seated coupler, but your partially disconnected one should easily pop out.
This all assumes that it really is a disconnected coupler. And it sounds like the classic symptom of disconnected coupler.
I believe the top one on my 1754 is æ–—oader up and the next one down is æ–—oader lower? so you want to relieve pressure on the lift or up hose. The bottom two are for bucket curl.
This does not help you (yet) but I wrapped a different colored zip tie on each set of hoses/stationary coupler halves. So red goes to red, yellow to yellow, etc

This led me to getting it fixed. Put a 4x4 under the bucket. Could not relieve pressure on quick-connect by tapping on the male end, or even pushing hard against a piece of metal but, a c-clamp did the trick. As soon as it stated to relieve, the bucket tried to drop down but the 4x4 stopped it. Then used the c-clamp to relieve the rest of the pressure..... quick-connect snapped right in. Fired up tractor, bucket works !!! YEA !!!

Then was able to use the bucket to get un-stuck. A local logger had come out - he worked on it for about an hour trying to get it out and finally said it could only get out by using a dozer - the land was pure marsh. Getting the bucket fixed was the trick.

btw: Here's a trick I learned from the dealer - with the bucket up higher, there was a tremendous amount of pressure in the hydraulics.... push the joy stick all the way forward to put it in "float mode". that took a lot of the pressure off.

And, lpakiz was right - top two connects are the up and down, bottom too are for the "curl".

Thank you everyone.... I love this place.\

I have pics on the phone but alas, I fell in the mud, and the phone plopped down in the mud. I'll get a new phone and upload the pics. It was ugly.

 

[thclimer]

Sounds like a real adventure, thanks for sharing your experience.

Hopefully a hard lesson learned where not to drive your Massey. I'm sure your son-in-law feels bad, don't be too hard on him. Did he help or offer to help get it out?

 

[pattycake]

Sounds like a real adventure, thanks for sharing your experience.

Hopefully a hard lesson learned where not to drive your Massey. I'm sure your son-in-law feels bad, don't be too hard on him. Did he help or offer to help get it out?

No doubt he was embarrassed and ashamed and yes, he offered to pay for everything.... even the $500 the dozer was going to cost had I not fixed the bucket (from the advice on the people in this thread). He even bought a $400 12,000 pound winch from Harbor Freight that worked for about an hour before it crapped out, plus a lot of extra hardware to try and mount it on the tractor. (all to no avail).

Also, I got my phone fixed ($129 later) - I'll post pics tomorrow

 

[Jaylegger]

Now to do something about that son-in-law.

 

[lpakiz]

Glad we were all able to collectively help! I’ve given some advise here and taken some advise from here. So to me, we’re all even!

 

[pattycake]

Pics of the demise

 

[MH8675309]

I have learned that if the ground resembles a chocolate cream pie youd best find a different route.
Glad you got it out