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2020 silverado half ton. 420hp/460torque, 10-speed auto, GCWR 18k, 2300# payload capacity, curb weight 5200#, 12k tow rating 13.5" rotors both front and rear

1999 F250 235hp/335torque 5-speed auto, 13.5k GCWR 2900# payload, 5400# curb weight, 12" front rotors, 13" rear rotors

1997 silverado 2500, 255hp, 330torque, 4-speed auto, 5200# curb weight, 7k tow rating, 12.5" front rotors and rear drums.

Yup....better just get an old 3/4 ton because they are bigger and heavier and stop better....lol.

Quit living in the past. If I had to tow a 10k load and had a choice of a 20-25 year old 3/4 ton vs a modern half ton.....the half ton wins.
 

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After years in the property mgmt. business in Phoenix we hauled about everything, crushed stone all ways very heavy! Thanks
 

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2020 silverado half ton. 420hp/460torque, 10-speed auto, GCWR 18k, 2300# payload capacity, curb weight 5200#, 12k tow rating 13.5" rotors both front and rear

1999 F250 235hp/335torque 5-speed auto, 13.5k GCWR 2900# payload, 5400# curb weight, 12" front rotors, 13" rear rotors

1997 silverado 2500, 255hp, 330torque, 4-speed auto, 5200# curb weight, 7k tow rating, 12.5" front rotors and rear drums.

Yup....better just get an old 3/4 ton because they are bigger and heavier and stop better....lol.

Quit living in the past. If I had to tow a 10k load and had a choice of a 20-25 year old 3/4 ton vs a modern half ton.....the half ton wins.
No kidding.

My 97 F350 can't stop on a dime unless I have a telescope to see it miles ahead... discs in front, drums in the rear. I've read somewhere about using a brake booster from the same year F-Superduty (F450 equivalent) to get better braking but I don't drive it enough to invest much in it.

It's also only rated to tow 9900 if I recall (SRW 4x4) though "I'm sure it could pull a lot more than that" haha
 

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No kidding.

My 97 F350 can't stop on a dime unless I have a telescope to see it miles ahead... discs in front, drums in the rear. I've read somewhere about using a brake booster from the same year F-Superduty (F450 equivalent) to get better braking but I don't drive it enough to invest much in it.

It's also only rated to tow 9900 if I recall (SRW 4x4) though "I'm sure it could pull a lot more than that" haha

My 92 ton isn’t horrible on braking but it’s not even close to my F-750 with air so I just use it for towing now. But the bigger problem is the 30 year old ton truck has no power and the cooling isn’t up to the job either.
 
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I've hauled 100's of similar or larger loads with my F150. The gravel pit I go to loads with the corner of the bucket also and they do a pretty nice job. However, sometimes you get it loaded more front or rear heavy than ideal- it's hard to predict precisely how the gravel is going to dump. I can tell by looking how the trailer is loaded and carry a shovel to adjust things if necessary. It's never more than a minute or 2 of shoveling to shift the weight how I like it. At the same time I clear the fenders or any other locations of loose material. It's much better to be tongue heavy than tail heavy.
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Amazing...154 posts...did we lose the OP?

What was the chosen way forward???
 

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Amazing...154 posts...did we lose the OP?

What was the chosen way forward???
I believe he is waiting on a couple quote from some heavy haul companies to make sure he can move his fully loaded dump trailer safely. According to this thread, turns out a half ton can't move it and will break in half... :)
 

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2020 silverado half ton. 420hp/460torque, 10-speed auto, GCWR 18k, 2300# payload capacity, curb weight 5200#, 12k tow rating 13.5" rotors both front and rear

1999 F250 235hp/335torque 5-speed auto, 13.5k GCWR 2900# payload, 5400# curb weight, 12" front rotors, 13" rear rotors

1997 silverado 2500, 255hp, 330torque, 4-speed auto, 5200# curb weight, 7k tow rating, 12.5" front rotors and rear drums.

Yup....better just get an old 3/4 ton because they are bigger and heavier and stop better....lol.

Quit living in the past. If I had to tow a 10k load and had a choice of a 20-25 year old 3/4 ton vs a modern half ton.....the half ton wins.
I mean, a bit silly to cherry pick stats like that. No one said we had to go back 25 years to get a 2500 to compare with a modern half ton. And you chose an absolutely top of the line half ton there, that's a $60k truck. For the same price you can also get a 2020 2500HD instead, that will nearly double those capacity numbers. Shoot my 2003 2500HD with the lowly base engine comes close to that GCVWR of a half-ton that is 17 years newer (and the 8.1L and 6.6L Dmax eclipse it).

I won't argue on the "stop better" point, newer trucks definitely have stronger brakes! Still, the frame size, suspension capacity, and weight of the tow vehicle all factor into towing dynamics as well. Doesn't matter how big your brake rotors are if they are trying to lock up while your truck gets jacked all around. And yes, you can put load range E tires on your half ton... but how many people actually do that?

I find the fact that we are debating whether a half ton can tow the OPs load rather amusing. Because he showed us all directly, how his can't. He can't handle the proper amount of tongue weight for safe towing of his load, Period. Could some max'd out levers on a WD hitch, or helper air bags keep him more level? Sure, but that is only masking the inherent under capacity of the base vehicle itself. Am I wrong?
 

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I mean, a bit silly to cherry pick stats like that. No one said we had to go back 25 years to get a 2500 to compare with a modern half ton. And you chose an absolutely top of the line half ton there, that's a $60k truck. For the same price you can also get a 2020 2500HD instead, that will nearly double those capacity numbers. Shoot my 2003 2500HD with the lowly base engine comes close to that GCVWR of a half-ton that is 17 years newer (and the 8.1L and 6.6L Dmax eclipse it).

I won't argue on the "stop better" point, newer trucks definitely have stronger brakes! Still, the frame size, suspension capacity, and weight of the tow vehicle all factor into towing dynamics as well. Doesn't matter how big your brake rotors are if they are trying to lock up while your truck gets jacked all around. And yes, you can put load range E tires on your half ton... but how many people actually do that?

I find the fact that we are debating whether a half ton can tow the OPs load rather amusing. Because he showed us all directly, how his can't. He can't handle the proper amount of tongue weight for safe towing of his load, Period. Could some max'd out levers on a WD hitch, or helper air bags keep him more level? Sure, but that is only masking the inherent under capacity of the base vehicle itself. Am I wrong?
No, its not silly to cherry pick stats. It proves my point. There are literally dozens of ways to configure a truck, both half ton and 3/4 ton. So what is silly is the CONSTANT blanket statements that half tons are too small and you need a 3/4 ton.

And 3/4-tons normally handle heavier loads and tow more.....sure. No argument that they are better built for being a towing and hauling machine. But that DOESNT mean that 1/2-tons are incapable.....especially modern ones.

What I find amusing is the above statement. What the OP is showing us is that he simply wants a better load placement on the trailer, NOT that his truck cannot handle towing the trailer and load he wants.

I have a one ton and a gooseneck trailer. If I load a mini excavator and pull it all the way up to where the blade touches the risers I am GROSSLY overloading the truck. But still well within the load rating of the trailer and truck . Same thing going on here.....only difference is when getting a trailer loaded by someone else, you dont have much control of load placement. Something the OP is trying to alleviate.
 
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Fair enough. But I don't believe we ever found out what engine/trans/axle ratio the OP has too, right? He might not have the legal towing capacity for the load either. I guess he said "limit to 3 tons". But the trailer probably weighs 3500 lbs itself. Do-able, I suppose.

Oh since I have your attention here, would you consider shortening your signature? Like, put some items side by side instead all vertically? Awesome chainsaw collection, but it makes us all do a lot more scrolling to get down a thread page LOL.
 

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Fair enough. But I don't believe we ever found out what engine/trans/axle ratio the OP has too, right? He might not have the legal towing capacity for the load either. I guess he said "limit to 3 tons". But the trailer probably weighs 3500 lbs itself. Do-able, I suppose.

Oh since I have your attention here, would you consider shortening your signature? Like, put some items side by side instead all vertically? Awesome chainsaw collection, but it makes us all do a lot more scrolling to get down a thread page LOL.
No I dont believe he ever gave us detailed specs of his truck, other that his load is within all the pertinent specs like tow rating, GCWR, trailer GVWR, etc etc etc. Good enough for me. You can check all the boxes for towing and be within all the parameters but still have bad load placement. How many times is it advised that people buy LONGER trailer for just this reason.

If the OP were loading his own trailer I think this would be a non issue. Because most people pay attention to their load placement for proper weight distribution. But being at the mercy of someone else loading your trailer, I can understand wanting to take precautions.

It really does amaze me the number of people hauling and towing that have no concept of where the load is placed. The landscape company that my friend owns, and in which I do maintenance on his fleet as a part time gig has several trucks and trailers. 10k and 14k trailers, 2 14k dumps, 2003-2007 vintage F450's, one newer F350, 4 3/4 tons. 90% of the employees just pull whatever equipment on and pull it as far forward as they can without regard to hitch load, load placement, etc.

Just the other day, they had the F450 dump truck loaded with 3 ton of stone. Then hooked to the 18' trailer and pulled the 6000 pound toro dingo on the trailer as far as it could possibly go. It just blows my mind the level of incompetence when it comes to proper loading. Then half the time they just throw a couple of slack chains over the machine and call it good.

Regarding my signature....I cannot even see it on a mobile device. I am sure it needs updated as I have gotten different equipment over the years and no longer have some. But I doubt updating it would result in it being any shorter....lol. But its there for a reason
 

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It's 20 lines long, lol. Nice equipment, but we don't really need to see it for every post. Although, I did just see in my own settings that I can turn off viewing people's signatures. Some of them are informative and interesting, but. Meh.
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It's 20 lines long, lol. Nice equipment, but we don't really need to see it for every post. Although, I did just see in my own settings that I can turn off viewing people's signatures. Some of them are informative and interesting, but. Meh.
How about you do you and I'll do me.

I have had several people reach out and message needing help or information from me regarding something they saw in my signature. So if it has helped even only a single person....its worth it. Your selfish and minor annoyance of my signature is laughable
 

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I got a 6x12 10K dump trailer earlier this year. Due to tow limits of my 1/2-ton truck, I never purchase more than 3 tons of material. When loaded properly, the trailer tows great. But I'd say 80% of the time, the local yards load me with a forward bias, creating too much tongue weight. I picked up three loads today and they were all forward biased, some worse than others.

I installed a W.D.H. to help in these situations, and it does what it is supposed to but won't cure poor loading or too much tongue weight. While pulling onto the scale for my first load this morning, I carefully noted the measurements as each axle went onto the scale, before and after being loaded. While eating lunch I did some math. The trailer has only 300# tongue weight when empty, which matches what I measured with a bathroom scale a couple months ago. When loaded too far forward, tongue weight was 1140#, more than my truck is meant to handle and visually way too much even with a W.D.H. If loaded evenly, it should have been in the 700-800# range.

I'm trying to decide how to deal with this. At this point, my only solution is to carefully raise the trailer bed to shift some of the material rearward, but that is a pain to do and needs careful judgement (not all loads slide the same). I am wondering if I should fab up some sort of sealed chamber at the front of the trailer bed to block off volume so that material cannot physically occupy the front couple feet of the bed (it would have to be angled to force material to flow to the rear). Somehow I need to prevent operators from loading with a forward bias and the only solution I can think of is to eliminate that volume. Any other ideas?
That fully loaded trailer isn’t really a good fit for a 1/2 ton truck
 

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dang are they making them out of lead now?
The thing is as big as an average size skidloader. IT is a beast. But was bought to unload pallets of pavers and retaingwall block off trailers and flatbeds. And yes it does it. As well as alot faster on bigger dirt jobs than the ditchwitch 750 (a "normal" sized dingo). But it doesnt have the finesse the smaller one has. They each have their place

https://compactequip.com/features/i...os-dingo-txl-200-towers-over-the-competition/ Good pic of one to reference the size
 

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The thing is as big as an average size skidloader. IT is a beast. But was bought to unload pallets of pavers and retaingwall block off trailers and flatbeds. And yes it does it. As well as alot faster on bigger dirt jobs than the ditchwitch 750 (a "normal" sized dingo). But it doesnt have the finesse the smaller one has. They each have their place

https://compactequip.com/features/i...os-dingo-txl-200-towers-over-the-competition/ Good pic of one to reference the size
Wow that is big!
Last time I rented a miniTL it was used to get in through a very tight gate, obviously a different class of machine.
I want one, but I don't often need one, so I just rent one occasionally...
 

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