MF 231S FEL external hydraulic problem

[fireman4074]

I am still having issue with splines on coupling stripping. I was wondering could I run auxiliary remote from top of 3 pt lift on tractor to operate FEL. I tried to post video to show more details. It would not let me upload but I hope pictures help. I also drill hole in coupling and pump shaft for bolt to help but it is breaking grade A bolts. Could the old hydraulic lines have anything to do with it also? Help plz

 

[ammoaddict]

I have a 231s with a 232 loader. I have never seen that part on my tractor. Yours must have a separate pump and fluid reservoir. Mine uses the pump for the 3 point hitch and the same fluid. It is very slow.

 

[Roadworthy]

I'm unfamiliar with a grade A bolt. Try to secure a grade eight (8) bolt in the proper size. If the holes are not in proper alignment or have wobbled out or enlarged they could be allowing enough play to cut through the bolt.

 

[fireman4074]

I have a 231s with a 232 loader. I have never seen that part on my tractor. Yours must have a separate pump and fluid reservoir. Mine uses the pump for the 3 point hitch and the same fluid. It is very slow.

Yes it has it reservoir. Is there anyway that I can upload video? Maybe that will better understanding. Do you have any pictures of how you have yours hooked up for FEL?

 

[fireman4074]

Yea I meant grade 8 bolt. It do have little wobble and play in coupling and shaft from stripping of spline. Do you think that the hydraulic hoses maybe old and not causing pump to turn freely.

 

[ammoaddict]

Yes it has it reservoir. Is there anyway that I can upload video? Maybe that will better understanding. Do you have any pictures of how you have yours hooked up for FEL?

I can try to get some pictures tomorrow. I bought it used, it was probably done at a dealer. The lever on the transmission that switches from 3point to fel is an aluminum block with two lines coming out of it that eventually lead to the joystick housing. You have to put the 3pt. Lift lever in "constant pumping" for the loader to work.

 

[fireman4074]

 

[ammoaddict]

I'm sure you can upload a video. I haven't used this forum much, but other forums I am on, you can upload videos, but I think they have to be YouTube videos.

 

[fireman4074]

I can try to get some pictures tomorrow. I bought it used, it was probably done at a dealer. The lever on the transmission that switches from 3point to fel is an aluminum block with two lines coming out of it that eventually lead to the joystick housing. You have to put the 3pt. Lift lever in "constant pumping" for the loader to work.

Do your lever look like one of these?

 

[fireman4074]

I'm sure you can upload a video. I haven't used this forum much, but other forums I am on, you can upload videos, but I think they have to be YouTube videos.

This is video. I hope that it helps.

 

[ammoaddict]

I just went and took some pictures.

 

[fireman4074]

I just went and took some pictures.View attachment 660488View attachment 660489View attachment 660490View attachment 660491View attachment 660492

Is the 4 remote valves on back of tractor running off that gadget?

 

[ammoaddict]

Those two lines go into the remote valve block and two lines come out of the remote to the joystick control.

 

[ammoaddict]

More pics

 

[ammoaddict]

Forgot this one

 

[fireman4074]

I just went and took some pictures.View attachment 660488View attachment 660489View attachment 660490View attachment 660491View attachment 660492

This is valve that I received. It has 3 threaded hole for hydraulic hookup instead of the 2 like you have. Can i just close one of these and just run 2 lines off it for FEL to operate.

 

[sd455dan]

I am still having issue with splines on coupling stripping. I was wondering could I run auxiliary remote from top of 3 pt lift on tractor to operate FEL. I tried to post video to show more details. It would not let me upload but I hope pictures help. I also drill hole in coupling and pump shaft for bolt to help but it is breaking grade A bolts. Could the old hydraulic lines have anything to do with it also? Help plz

I think the problem may be both the pump shaft splines are worn out in addition to the coupler.

Same thing happened to my Ford 3000 with front mounted Vickers Pump.

I tried several things that worked for a short time until replacing the pumps internal splined shaft , coupler and shaft that goes into the crankshaft hub.

here is the old thread, maybe some help:

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/ford-vintage-tractors/306022-1967-ford-3000-730-loader.html


ps. If the pump flow on the Massey is anything like my Ford was you will be disappointed with the FEL raise lower and curl speeds when using the 3 point pumps power beyond feature

My Ford had about 4.5 GPM 3 point and ~ 15-17 GPM on the front mount pump.

 

[ammoaddict]

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This is valve that I received. It has 3 threaded hole for hydraulic hookup instead of the 2 like you have. Can i just close one of these and just run 2 lines off it for FEL to operate.

I would think you could plug it if you figure out which one to plug.

 

[fireman4074]

I think the problem may be both the pump shaft splines are worn out in addition to the coupler.

Same thing happened to my Ford 3000 with front mounted Vickers Pump.

I tried several things that worked for a short time until replacing the pumps internal splined shaft , coupler and shaft that goes into the crankshaft hub.

here is the old thread, maybe some help:

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/ford-vintage-tractors/306022-1967-ford-3000-730-loader.html


ps. If the pump flow on the Massey is anything like my Ford was you will be disappointed with the FEL raise lower and curl speeds when using the 3 point pumps power beyond feature

My Ford had about 4.5 GPM 3 point and ~ 15-17 GPM on the front mount pump.

I know that I am going be very disappoint in the FEL operation but I do not know what else to do. I have replace 2 coupling within a year. The splines are only thing that is stripping. I do not know if I need to get new shaft made. I love the speed of it from independent pump. It is like you said a tractor with FEL that is not working is like tit on boar hog. Lol

I am open fo more ideas if you can help

 

[sd455dan]

I know that I am going be very disappoint in the FEL operation but I do not know what else to do. I have replace 2 coupling within a year. The splines are only thing that is stripping. I do not know if I need to get new shaft made. I love the speed of it from independent pump. It is like you said a tractor with FEL that is not working is like tit on boar hog. Lol

I am open fo more ideas if you can help

I would take a close look at the front mounted Pump for Identification mine was a Vickers Vane pump many other tractors used gear pumps. maybe the Masseys front pump has good parts availability.

If you can get the #'s off the pump and who manufactured it we can start to look for either a new internal shaft or possibly a replacement pump if the price is right.

The spline clearance can be what causes the coupler failure. never had another problem with the 3000 once that was replaced.

It may also be cheaper to replace the pump complete if you can get the numbers/ brand off of the old one