Our New 60x40x16 Metal Building Thread

[markrahn]

Is that a Rhino? That is what I ordered. Due in around March 11. What pitch is that roof? 5:12? It's a bolt together right? Thought I saw them with a cutting torch and/or welder in one of the pictures.

In the middle of putting in the concrete slab right now. Watching your build closely. thank you very much for the updates and pics.

 

[mjncad]

Maybe a bouncer at a small cheesy 'hole in the wall' bar... . LOL. Poor guy - at least we didn't "Youtube" him... .

We've spoken to many metal building companies and industry experts - we are learning more and more about the whole process. Unfortunately the laborers ignored several things from the construction video, instruction manual and engineered prints. Minus the notch in the concrete - It is my personal opinion the project would have gone more smoothly if the GC was present during the building process - he could have explained to the crew what needed to occur - unfortunately he wasn't there for a nano second during the 4 day process.

You should have YouTube'd him, and I wouldn't expect him to be a bouncer at a high class joint; but some dive bar with a dirt floor.

Maybe the GC couldn't be on site because he was at his Spanish language class.

 

[wedge40]

In between pics - I ran the box blade over their muddy tire tracks...
Too much work. Not enough play. Time for a short break

It's got to be asked. Are those?

"Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle"

With a compass in the stock? :laughing:


Wedge

 

[CompactTractorFan]

ITHINKICAN, don't feel bad. Here is a quote from another thread:

Some years ago, when Morton screwed up and started installing the wrong color steel siding on a shop they were building for me,

 

[srs]

ITHINKICAN, don't feel bad. Here is a quote from another thread:

CTF, You forgot to include the whole paragraph. It seems like Morton realized their mistake, corrected it, and gave Varmint one heck of a deal!

Some years ago, when Morton screwed up and started installing the wrong color steel siding on a shop they were building for me, I realized a serendipitous deal when it hit me, and negotiated with them to buy all the metal siding they'd wrongly started using (lots of it was cut to lengths, etc., and not that useful to them at that point). I got all the trim and fasteners, as well. Heck of a deal.

 

[CompactTractorFan]

CTF, You forgot to include the whole paragraph. It seems like Morton realized their mistake, corrected it, and gave Varmint one heck of a deal!

Some years ago, when Morton screwed up and started installing the wrong color steel siding on a shop they were building for me, I realized a serendipitous deal when it hit me, and negotiated with them to buy all the metal siding they'd wrongly started using (lots of it was cut to lengths, etc., and not that useful to them at that point). I got all the trim and fasteners, as well. Heck of a deal.

Yes, I read the whole post. I like Morton buildings. I was merely pointing out that even the "expensive" builders make mistakes. I'm sorry that I was not more clear and did not include the whole quote...Oh, and srs I like your building too...:thumbsup:

 

[srs]

Yes, I red the whole post. I like Morton buildings. I was merely pointing out that even the "expensive" builders make mistakes. I'm sorry that I was not more clear and did not include the whole quote...Oh, and srs I like your building too...:thumbsup:

CTF, no need to apologize. I totally agree with you that even the "expensive" builders make mistakes but the good part is that they were able to work it out with Varmint. They, like other good builders, whether expensive or not are willing to stand behind their products and workmanship. Thanks, Stanley

 

[mjncad]

A quick diversion if I may. Is Stanley Kubota related to Stanley Kubrick?

 

[srs]

A quick diversion if I may. Is Stanley Kubota related to Stanley Kubrick?

Not related. Maybe I should change how that looks. Wasn't Stanley Kubrick a movie director from many years ago?

 

[wedge40]

It's got to be asked. Are those?

"Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle"

With a compass in the stock? :laughing:


Wedge

see post 139 for photos.

Wedge

 

[mjncad]

Not related. Maybe I should change how that looks. Wasn't Stanley Kubrick a movie director from many years ago?

Yep. Most noted for Dr. Strangelove, 2001, Full Metal Jacket, and other films. Stanley Kubrick - IMDb

 

[ITHINKICAN]

Is that a Rhino? That is what I ordered. Due in around March 11. What pitch is that roof? 5:12? It's a bolt together right? Thought I saw them with a cutting torch and/or welder in one of the pictures.

In the middle of putting in the concrete slab right now. Watching your build closely. thank you very much for the updates and pics.

We ordered from them but we are told they are just the middleman. We have a new friend (we met him through this whole process) who ordered from them and got a Shulte. Not sure where they got our building. 4:12 pitch. Bolt together. They cut holes in the metal for bracing/straps. Good luck!!

Are you doing base trim? We can sell you ours (never installed) at a GREAT price. :ashamed: Let me know if you need any more info - we have plenty!

You should have YouTube'd him, and I wouldn't expect him to be a bouncer at a high class joint; but some dive bar with a dirt floor.

Maybe the GC couldn't be on site because he was at his Spanish language class.

GC went to Dallas for New Years - maybe he stayed for Super Bowl?

It's got to be asked. Are those?
"Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle"
With a compass in the stock? :laughing:
Wedge

I can't remember if they were Red Ryder or Buck model. It was to teach them safety etc. Last weekend we took their Henry lever action .22 out of the box - no pics yet. :cool2:

ITHINKICAN, don't feel bad. Here is a quote from another thread:

I feel a little bad - but that doesn't give me the right to be a cry baby. I was just a little :confused3: I'm better now. Life goes on. :thumbsup:

CTF, You forgot to include the whole paragraph. It seems like Morton realized their mistake, corrected it, and gave Varmint one heck of a deal!
Some years ago, when Morton screwed up and started installing the wrong color steel siding on a shop they were building for me, I realized a serendipitous deal when it hit me, and negotiated with them to buy all the metal siding they'd wrongly started using (lots of it was cut to lengths, etc., and not that useful to them at that point). I got all the trim and fasteners, as well. Heck of a deal.

We're surprised the neither the GC nor the Metal Building Company have offered a remedy. I guess we share in the blame - we had a very qualified local Company lined up but we went with the recommendation from the Metal Building Company instead... and then we fell for the "sales pitch" hook line and sinker. Duh. I should have known better. :laughing:

Yes, I read the whole post. I like Morton buildings. I was merely pointing out that even the "expensive" builders make mistakes. I'm sorry that I was not more clear and did not include the whole quote...Oh, and srs I like your building too...:thumbsup:

Morton seems nice but we wanted metal and open span.

CTF, no need to apologize. I totally agree with you that even the "expensive" builders make mistakes but the good part is that they were able to work it out with Varmint. They, like other good builders, whether expensive or not are willing to stand behind their products and workmanship. Thanks, Stanley

Agreed! Hopefully our experience will be of benefit to someone else. :drink:

A quick diversion if I may. Is Stanley Kubota related to Stanley Kubrick?

Thank you for the diversion - the thread needed it! :tractor:

 

[markrahn]

Are you doing base trim? We can sell you ours (never installed) at a GREAT price. Let me know if you need any more info - we have plenty!

Well yes we will be using the base trim. but I already ordered it and it is on the way.

I am having a brick ledge put on the footing also so that we can later on come up about 4 foot with rock or brick for a wainscotting look.

How far along is the building now?
How are you planning on finishing the inside?

Keep the info coming:thumbsup:
Thanks

 

[CompactTractorFan]

Morton seems nice but we wanted metal and open span.

I thought Morton was open span.

 

[ITHINKICAN]

Well yes we will be using the base trim. but I already ordered it and it is on the way.
I am having a brick ledge put on the footing also so that we can later on come up about 4 foot with rock or brick for a wainscotting look.
How far along is the building now?
How are you planning on finishing the inside?
Keep the info coming:thumbsup:
Thanks

A brick ledge and the wainscotting look both sound like great ideas. Are you sure you can use the base trim? Doesn't the trim sit on the outside edge and don't the metal panels sit on top of the trim? Mine wasn't used - so I'm not sure either way. The structure is done. We held tight for a few weeks - we were hoping to work things out with that GC - but things didn't work out. As you know we just had a couple of weeks of cold/bad weather too. This weekend we went out and started cleaning up what was left behind; metal shavings, damaged panels and scrap pieces, wood forms, pallets, screws, general debris, cigarette butts etc etc. The primary use will be storage. We might do a little more here and there - we'll see; nothing fancy either way. Both our boys play Little League - the Season started about a week ago - we are slammed with practices. I will post photos this weekend.

I should have researched my 'important items' in advance of everything. I should have learned more about pad sites, base trim vs notch in concrete, installation of closure strips and general construction of a metal building etc. They provide a great instructional video and an installation manual; wish I would have studied both. It would have saved us from what we experienced. Who knew? I should have addressed the plumbing far in advance as well. Back before we paid any money our GC said "Don't worry about it. I'll drop in your drain pipe before we pour". At the last minute he said "Oh, I wouldn't know how to do any of that you should call a plumber if you want it done correctly." I definitely should have had a clause in the contract requiring the GC be present during the project. It was our first rodeo - we'll be more dilligent if we ever do another one.

I thought Morton was open span.

You are 100% correct. My mistake. I do recall they didn't offer metal framing - for some reason we thought metal might last longer. Guess we could of done more research.

 

[mjncad]

I gather cleanup wasn't in the GC's contract either. The guy sounds like a scumbag.

 

[77transam]

This weekend we went out and started cleaning up what was left behind; metal shavings, damaged panels and scrap pieces, wood forms, pallets, screws, general debris, cigarette butts etc etc. The primary use will be storage. We might do a little more here and there - we'll see; nothing fancy either way. Both our boys play Little League - the Season started about a week ago - we are slammed with practices. I will post photos this weekend.

I should have researched my 'important items' in advance of everything. I should have learned more about pad sites, base trim vs notch in concrete, installation of closure strips and general construction of a metal building etc. They provide a great instructional video and an installation manual; wish I would have studied both. It would have saved us from what we experienced. Who knew? I should have addressed the plumbing far in advance as well. Back before we paid any money our GC said "Don't worry about it. I'll drop in your drain pipe before we pour". At the last minute he said "Oh, I wouldn't know how to do any of that you should call a plumber if you want it done correctly." I definitely should have had a clause in the contract requiring the GC be present during the project. It was our first rodeo - we'll be more diligent if we ever do another one.

Well ITIC,I'm glad your cup is half-full! Following this thread and hearing about the various issues you've had with the GC and how you've handled it show that you're a better man than me!:laughing: I would NOT have been as understanding as you. That guy would've had to put a restraining order on me to keep me from taking a HUGE bite out of his indifferent ***!!!

While I agree with your earlier statement about no one being perfect, A true "professional" should be just that, professional. This cat has shown a lack of professionalism at every turn, from his "Don't worry about it, I'll take care of it..." attitude at the beginning of the job, to the end where his crew left you the dirty/hazardous job site to clean up! At the very least, I would tell EVERYONE I know NOT to use this guy!

"...I should have researched my 'important items' in advance of everything. I should have learned more about pad sites, base trim vs notch in concrete, installation of closure strips and general construction of a metal building etc. They provide a great instructional video and an installation manual; wish I would have studied both. It would have saved us from what we experienced. Who knew?"

I also agree a client/customer should always try to be prepared and informed as much as possible, but don't blame yourself for HIS lack of planning, poor attitude, lack of on-site presence, and the mistakes HE made! A customer PAYS a GC to oversee a job from start to finish and ensure that ALL work pertaining to that job is done to plan/engineering specifications AND to the CUSTOMER'S reasonable satisfaction, and in my humble opinion (based on 25+ years of construction experience!), this guy took advantage of your lack of knowledge and betrayed your trust. He is the worst kind of contractor out there, the one who assures his victim that they will take care of things, then give's an attitude of indifference when he doesn't! AARRGGGHHH it makes my blood boil! (I'm really trying not to go off on a rant here:laughing

I'm guess at the very least you've got your building up without any major disasters, and I'm glad your positive attitude has helped keep you sane.:thumbsup: Like I said before, you're a better man than me! I bet you're a great father and husband too, as you've definitely got a tremendous amount of understanding, forgiveness and compassion. I guess that's what makes me so angry about your experience with this guy. Good people like yourself deserve much better treatment,common courtesy, and respect than you got from this guy!

 

[CompactTractorFan]

So, what is the latest on the building???

 

[ITHINKICAN]

I gather cleanup wasn't in the GC's contract either. The guy sounds like a scumbag.

We had the 10x10' and the 14x14' roll doors installed by another Company - they couldn't believe the condition of the job site. The odd thing about the GC - he was pleasant and professional at nearly every moment (minus a voice mail or two) - the work that was done or in some cases not done - while he was on hiatus - that's a different story.

-If TBN has an emoticon that has water dripping from the mouth aka drool :drool: then they should have one that has water dripping from eyes aka crying

Well ITIC,I'm glad your cup is half-full! Following this thread and hearing about the various issues you've had with the GC and how you've handled it show that you're a better man than me!:laughing: I would NOT have been as understanding as you. That guy would've had to put a restraining order on me to keep me from taking a HUGE bite out of his indifferent ***!!!

While I agree with your earlier statement about no one being perfect, A true "professional" should be just that, professional. This cat has shown a lack of professionalism at every turn, from his "Don't worry about it, I'll take care of it..." attitude at the beginning of the job, to the end where his crew left you the dirty/hazardous job site to clean up! At the very least, I would tell EVERYONE I know NOT to use this guy!

I also agree a client/customer should always try to be prepared and informed as much as possible, but don't blame yourself for HIS lack of planning, poor attitude, lack of on-site presence, and the mistakes HE made! A customer PAYS a GC to oversee a job from start to finish and ensure that ALL work pertaining to that job is done to plan/engineering specifications AND to the CUSTOMER'S reasonable satisfaction, and in my humble opinion (based on 25+ years of construction experience!), this guy took advantage of your lack of knowledge and betrayed your trust. He is the worst kind of contractor out there, the one who assures his victim that they will take care of things, then give's an attitude of indifference when he doesn't! AARRGGGHHH it makes my blood boil! (I'm really trying not to go off on a rant here:laughing

I'm guess at the very least you've got your building up without any major disasters, and I'm glad your positive attitude has helped keep you sane.:thumbsup: Like I said before, you're a better man than me! I bet you're a great father and husband too, as you've definitely got a tremendous amount of understanding, forgiveness and compassion. I guess that's what makes me so angry about your experience with this guy. Good people like yourself deserve much better treatment,common courtesy, and respect than you got from this guy!

After being thrown out of a Little League game (or two) I've learned to cool it a little... once in a while at least

So, what is the latest on the building???

Here are some updates. Thank you for keeping me on my toes.

 

[ITHINKICAN]

#1 - oops a hole.
#2 - oops a hole and oops no base trim.
#3 - oops no weatherproofing closure strips.
We have 100's of photo's - this is just an example.