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Is that your only source of venting?

I'm actually shocked that they didn't seal it there and left it open. Not only will that snow get in through there, but also rain on a windy day AND every bug looking for a home.

Was the roof put on by the same guy who built the barn?

Eddie
 
   / Pole Barn Project Pics 40x72x14 #112  
I'd like to say you have a barn most all of use would love to have. The only way I can think of fixing your ridge vent would be to increase the width of it, or seal it and install eve vents.
 
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EddieWalker said:
Is that your only source of venting?

I'm actually shocked that they didn't seal it there and left it open. Not only will that snow get in through there, but also rain on a windy day AND every bug looking for a home.

Was the roof put on by the same guy who built the barn?

Eddie

Eddie,

Yes, the roof was put on by the guy who built the barn. The eves are vented and I'm sure the ridge vent is supposed to be a key part of the attic airflow.

As I mentioned, I had the builder there today and he is standing by his work and I'm going to give him a chance to make it right. I'm amazed that this was overlooked. I've had no issues with the rain coming in and there has been some nasty storms and high winds (up to 70 mph). I've been checking the building all over whenever there has been a strong wind, rain and now snow. Other than a leaky garage door (currently being adjusted), so far everything is holding up.

Here's a shot of the insulation. The OSB is slowly going up on the walls. The building really does a good job holding the heat.
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   / Pole Barn Project Pics 40x72x14 #114  
So how did you realize you had snow in your attic? Doesn't look like there is any way for it to get to the ground except by melting...

Carl
 
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woodlandfarms said:
So how did you realize you had snow in your attic? Doesn't look like there is any way for it to get to the ground except by melting...

Carl

The ceiling above the "tractor-port" is not insulated and the snow melted there first and leaked at the end of the building, thankfully away from any light fixtures & electronics :eek:
 
   / Pole Barn Project Pics 40x72x14 #116  
keving said:
I've had no issues with the rain coming in and there has been some nasty storms and high winds (up to 70 mph). I've been checking the building all over whenever there has been a strong wind, rain and now snow.

Moisture is one of those things that if it can find a way, it will. Just because you didn't see any sign of it when it rained, I'd be willing to bet that there is some amount of water getting in. If snow can do it, rain can too.

As a contractor, I get calls from people to see if I can fix a leaking roof. Almost always I decline those jobs because of how hard it is to find the actual leak, but even worse, is that it's just about impossible to gurantee a fix on a leaking roof. For some clients that I do allot of work for and have become good friends, I'll do what I can, but they know leaks are not something that I'll gurantee.

Water never travels a straight line. It will travel for long distances and remain invisable for a very long time. With a new building, it could be years until you see enough staining on the wood to even know there is a leak. If it's not puddling in a spot that you can see, you might never know about it until the wood rots or something else does. Some leaks that I've seen have been going on for decades before anybody noticed them.

I've sort of wondered here, but my point is that with the opening in your roof that allowed snow to get in, you also have water getting in. Just because you didn't see it, and haven't been able to find it, doesn't mean it's not happening.

And of course, what's keeping the wasps, bees and wood eating beatles our?

Eddie
 
   / Pole Barn Project Pics 40x72x14 #117  
keving said:
Do you guys know of anything that can keep the snow out but allow the venting?

Ridge vents are supposed to be used in concert with other vents such as vented soffits or eaves. Then the aerodynamics pretty much ensure a low pressure area at the ridge that expells air. If you were to use a fan to blow air into the attic space the air would exit the ridge (especially if it were the only other opening) and snow would have a hard time getting up stream.

It is a little late now because any retrofit is a hassle BUT...

Ridge vents can be constructed in various ways. There are vents that use a honeycomb plastic thingy that is nailed in place when the roofing is done. It excludes larger insects and lots of snow while ensuring the path stays open for air ventilation.

Sealing and unsealing the ridge over and over doesn't sound like a very attractive solution and I wouldn't let the contractor off the hook so easy. I'm not thrilled with the fan approach but at least it is easier to turn on and off than installing and removing foam.

Replacing the ridge vent with eave vents is NOT a good long term solution. Ridge vents, properly installed, are quite effective and trying to equal their performance with eave vents will fail. If you choose to permanently plug the ridge you should retrofit lots of sqft of gable end vents (if you have gable roof) and best of luck if you are hip roof.

One of the best ridge vent systems I have seen has aerodynamically self adjusting flaps on both sides of the ridge. The side receiving the direct wind is blown shut and the downwind side is sucked open. This ensures that with a wind there is always a suction at the ridge and precipitation is excluded from getting in because the upwind side is sealed.

This system costs more than the cheapest possible approach which your contractor probably took B U T it is quite effective.

Doing anything will cost someone time and materials which equals money and the contractor will probably be EXTREMELY RESISTANT to doing ANYTHING which isn't fully funded by you. Don't relent for a moment.

You have a right to expect that certain minimum standards of workmanship and building practices are followed. You have a right to expect that your ceiling not leak after a snow storm. Stick to your guns. If you let this go the contractor will distance himself and you will be left with a problem and no help fixing it. Yoiu don't want to end up in a war with the guy if it can be helped.

Consider taking the approach that the current situation is not satisfactory and you had no part in the design and didn't force him to take the approach he used so he owes you assistance with the problem in the way of a workmanlike long term satisfactory solution, not bandaids like stuffing foam in the vent.

If it were me I would try to motivate the guy into redoing the vent so it would work. If necessary, I would freely offer to pay for the materials needed to do the job right (flap type ridge vent system or equivalent) but not any of the labor which is a direct result of his lack of proper approach. I suspect you didn't direct him in how to do a ridge vent so he messed up on his own and it should be his responsibility to correct it including labor for tear off and replacement. I might offer to pay for part of the difference, if any, in the labor of installing a proper system if it were significantly more labor intensive than his first approach which was ineffective and a failure.

Don't let the guy off the hook or you will NOT be a happy camper later when any ceilings below are stained or any sheetrock falls on the floor. The performance of wet insulation is just about equal to no insulation so assuming you heat and or air condition the space below the bad roof job you will be paying more to do it.

Pat
 
   / Pole Barn Project Pics 40x72x14 #118  
We have a new pole barn and are finishing two areas inside with insulation and drywall. Our ridge vent appears similar to the one pictured, and we have not had leaks, although it's possible ours may be wider than the one pictured. As far as insects go, screening was stapled down before the metal roofing and vent was attatched- that may not be visible in the photos above if it was done.
We have had leaks at windows when there is rain/wind- as Eddie stated, even knowing where the leak is on the inside still makes it very difficult to find where it's coming from on the outside. I ended up "fixing" ours by lifting the metal under the windows and using housewrap between the girts and metal to allow any water that gets in to channel out.
 
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volcamp said:
Keving...What a super job. Your location there in West By God is awesome. You already have all the landscaping anyone could ever want right outside the rollup door. I could sit in one of those chairs and stare out the door until the first snow came with no problem. Gongrats and enjoy. Keep us posted. I would love to see what it looks like with a good blanket of snow on the ground.

Keving:
Everything still looks terrific. I meant I'd like to see some barn in the snow pics, not snow in the barn pics... :)
 
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volcamp said:
Keving:
Everything still looks terrific. I meant I'd like to see some barn in the snow pics, not snow in the barn pics... :)

:D That reminds me of the agnostic dyslexic who had a little god running around the house while he pondered the existence of dog. :D :D
 

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