Questions on 2016 F250

[coobie]

Your wife clearly doesn't pack like mine does :laughing:

+1 "LOL"

 

[bdog]

I'm sure it will work, but I still wouldn't want to tow 5-6 tons with the 6.2L gasser setup on a regular basis.

The fuel economy stinks towing with a gasser but our 15 F-250 with the 6.2 towed a 12k gooseneck from Texas to Kansas and back at least eight times. We never had a complaint about lack of power. Our main reason in trading was fuel economy and driving range. We travel in a convoy with an 18 wheeler and on a 500 mile trip with the 6.2 we would leave with a full tank and have to stop twice for fuel on the way there. The diesel will make it with only one refuel which makes it a lot easier with the big truck in the convoy as we make trips this distance often.

 

[ovrszd]

The fuel economy stinks towing with a gasser but our 15 F-250 with the 6.2 towed a 12k gooseneck from Texas to Kansas and back at least eight times. We never had a complaint about lack of power. Our main reason in trading was fuel economy and driving range. We travel in a convoy with an 18 wheeler and on a 500 mile trip with the 6.2 we would leave with a full tank and have to stop twice for fuel on the way there. The diesel will make it with only one refuel which makes it a lot easier with the big truck in the convoy as we make trips this distance often.

I think this point is very important. Were I a buyer, I'd think about how much towing I was going to do. If I found myself in your position it would be diesel hands down. I value the fact that my diesel will move 24K handily while staying under 2500rpms. Most times under 2000rpms. I value that it will do it and still be in the low to mid teens on mileage.

So, in regards to the OP, I think he already has thought thru all of that. I think he's also weighed the initial purchase cost of the diesel versus gasser. I think he's come to a rational decision about which powertrain he needs. Our personal results may vary. I'm excited for him and am anxious to hear his results.

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

The fuel economy stinks towing with a gasser but our 15 F-250 with the 6.2 towed a 12k gooseneck from Texas to Kansas and back at least eight times. We never had a complaint about lack of power. Our main reason in trading was fuel economy and driving range. We travel in a convoy with an 18 wheeler and on a 500 mile trip with the 6.2 we would leave with a full tank and have to stop twice for fuel on the way there. The diesel will make it with only one refuel which makes it a lot easier with the big truck in the convoy as we make trips this distance often.

How may miles did a tank last you?

 

[bdog]

It had 32 gallon tank because it was a shortbed. I could get close to 500 miles empty but with the 12k GN maybe 225-250 miles. The diesel I got is a long bed and not only gets better mileage towing but it has a 36 gallon tank.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Skip the F250 and get a SRW F350. You gain 1500# of payload increase for around $600

With a gas Superduty absolutely get either 4.10 or 4.30 gears. Anything less will have you wishing for more. Another must is the Ford a Trailer Brake Controller.

Trust me on thus subject. I have owned over 25 vehicles of which better than a dozen of them were Ford Trucks.

Chris

 

[Rustyiron]

I will continue to share here! I really appreciate your imput.

Anyone have anything to say about Zeibart rust protection? I have one within driving distance.

Luke I found one (a Krown dealer) in White River VT. I put a link in your other "rust" thread.

 

[Poke]

I own a 2014 crew cab F250, gas, 4:30 gears and avg 13.8 for the 28,000 miles so far, and I love it. I also have an unlimited availability of any truck for my profession, brand and size, of the big 3, from 3/4 tons to 5500/550's, so I have an extensive knowledge of just about all of the brands and sizes. I also own a 24 foot PJ gooseneck equipment trailer that I pull my tractors, 279 Cat skid steer, and mini ex on. I can tell you that my 250 is perfect for my needs, I've pulled my trailer about 5000 miles with my truck, 28 foot bp camper about 1500 miles a year. The diesels are good, if you pull everyday. But the added cost upfront, plus fuel and maintaince for them will never pay for themselves to the average person, which is what I catorgize myself. Also, I love to hear about the "great fuel mileage" new diesels get these days, but it's not possible. I'm currently driving a 2016 Ram 3500 crew cab 4wd dieselwith 4:10 gears, unloaded getting 14.2 mpg, almost all highway. Last weekend I hooked my trailer/tractor to it and went to my farm, 86 miles round trip on 2 lane roads doing 55 mph, got 10.9 mpg. My personal rig on the same trip gets 9.7. Do the math over a 100,000 miles and it'll never pay for itself. Plus the added liability of diesel motors make me sick to think about. 250/350 gas with 4:30 gears and don't look back.

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

I've heard that insurance can vary significantly from F250 to 350. I plan on confirming this.

Surprisingly, 4.30 gears might be a little hard to find arround here. :confused3: I don't have time to order one. Going to dealers tomorrow but everyone Ive looked at online has 3.73 on the online PDF window sticker.

 

[Poke]

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I've heard that insurance can vary significantly from F250 to 350. I plan on confirming this.

Surprisingly, 4.30 gears might be a little hard to find arround here. :confused3: I don't have time to order one. Going to dealers tomorrow but everyone Ive looked at online has 3.73 on the online PDF window sticker.

Yeah they aren't common, but your local dealer can do a locate for 1 and find 1. Trust me, it's worth it to get it with them. The dealer will want to sell you what's on the lot, but if he wants the sell than he needs to be willing to work a lil for it. Believe me, I deal with car dealers everyday.

 

[tcartwri]

With a double overdrive there really is no penalty in going with the 4 series gears. However your pulling power from a stop is greatly improved.

 

[GManBart]

But the added cost upfront, plus fuel and maintaince for them will never pay for themselves to the average person, which is what I catorgize myself. Also, I love to hear about the "great fuel mileage" new diesels get these days, but it's not possible.

What do you mean "plus fuel"? Right now diesel costs the same, or less, than unleaded regular around here. I saw the local station had regular unleaded at $2.19 tonight, and diesel was $1.95.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I've heard that insurance can vary significantly from F250 to 350. I plan on confirming this. Surprisingly, 4.30 gears might be a little hard to find arround here. :confused3: I don't have time to order one. Going to dealers tomorrow but everyone Ive looked at online has 3.73 on the online PDF window sticker.

Not true. I owned 3 at one time in the mid 2000's, a 99 F350, a 04 F250, and a 06 F350. All Diesel and all 4x4. I bet there wasn't $50 a year difference between any of them but that had to do with them stretching over a 7 year period.

Chris

 

[Luke'sScreenName]

Anyone have a pro 3.73 ratio opinion? I'd like to hear it. 4.30s are prob only 1/100. The rest are 3.73.

If they tow that much better with little GPM penalty then seems like Ford would make a lot more.
:confused3:

 

[Snobdds]

If it was the diesel with the 3.73, I would say go for it. I think the 3.73 is too high of a gear for a gas truck hauling over 10K loads.

There are some great gear calculators on the web through google. Might play with them to get a better idea what your dealing with.

 

[coobie]

Anyone have a pro 3.73 ratio opinion? I'd like to hear it. 4.30s are prob only 1/100. The rest are 3.73.

If they tow that much better with little GPM penalty then seems like Ford would make a lot more.
:confused3:

I had 3.73 gears in my last 4 trucks.My current 2016 dodge 2500,my current 2006 F150 super crew cab,my 2011 ford super crew and my 2004 dodge 2500 quad cab diesel.All towed very well with 10,000-12,000 lbs.Grant you I do not live in a hilly or mountain area.If I did I would opt for the 4.10 gears.

 

[Labrat]

Is there any difference in the O.D. of the 17" vs 18" wheels?



Not sure of the OD difference but when I was searching for truck tires last year I found that the 18" tires available had a higher weight rating than what was available in the 17's. Some tires were over 300lbs more per tire.

Just something to keep in mind.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Anyone have a pro 3.73 ratio opinion? I'd like to hear it. 4.30s are prob only 1/100. The rest are 3.73. If they tow that much better with little GPM penalty then seems like Ford would make a lot more. :confused3:

They do it for 2 reasons. MPG and to make you eventually buy a diesel truck.

Het the deeper gears!

Chris

 

[Fordman1981]

They do it for 2 reasons. MPG and to make you eventually buy a diesel truck. Het the deeper gears! Chris

Dealers are the ones that have the most input about what's on their lots. Sadly the salespeople that order them usually know very little about trucks and order the (higher - lower numerically) gears because they have a little prompt saying higher gears give better mpg. Most people know they aren't going to get very good fuel millage from a truck and they'd rather have one that can do more work. It's like the bigger fuel tank option is usually around $50 why don't they order all the trucks with the bigger tanks? Have you ever heard anyone say "Yes I'd like to stop more often for fuel"?

 

[dodge man]

It might be hard to compare my truck since I don't know how the transmissions are geared in Fords. My Chevy is a 6.0 gas with a 6 speed auto. 5th and 6th gear are both over drives. With my 3.73 rear gears my truck will barely get into 6th gear at 55mph and it doesn't take much of a hill to make it downshift. This is empty. I drove an hour to a nearby town on interstate recently and was going 70mph. The tach was near 2000 rpms and it seemed like the sweet spot for my truck.

I don't tow often or heavy, so the gear choice doesn't matter much to me. If you did a lot of interstate driving empty, the 3.73 might be a good choice. I doubt the difference makes much difference on fuel mileage since mine was showing 13.2 mpg when I got home. If you tow a lot and don't do a lot of interstate, I'd want the digger gears.

Rim size? Often if the rim is bigger the tire is a lower profile resulting in the same overall diameter. If you look at the tire sizes, you can usually tell.