Saving A Ford 3910

[aczlan]

What is really funny is that all you guys are sitting in your armchairs waiting for a solution to a problem that you all say does not exist, maybe it is just me, but that seems a little strange for someone who has all the experience and answers.

No, they are not saying that your tractor does not smoke on cold startups, they are saying:
1. A little smoke on a cold startup that goes away after it starts to warm up is not abnormal
2. Running it hard to do an "Italian Tune-up" will clear out carbon, etc that could be stuck in the engine and may help with smoking on a cold startup
3. A rebuild may or may not get rid of the smoking on a cold startup
4. You aren't likely to damage anything further by running it as-is
5. You would be better off running it hard and getting it cleaned out BEFORE you start taking things apart
6. It's your time and money, but we would all like to see what you do and what you find if you take it apart

Aaron Z

 

[PM Wells]

No, they are not saying that your tractor does not smoke on cold startups, they are saying:
1. A little smoke on a cold startup that goes away after it starts to warm up is not abnormal
2. Running it hard to do an "Italian Tune-up" will clear out carbon, etc that could be stuck in the engine and may help with smoking on a cold startup
3. A rebuild may or may not get rid of the smoking on a cold startup
4. You aren't likely to damage anything further by running it as-is
5. You would be better off running it hard and getting it cleaned out BEFORE you start taking things apart
6. It's your time and money, but we would all like to see what you do and what you find if you take it apart

Aaron Z

I have been trying to tell you all that it is NOT just a little smoke at start up after it sits for a couple weeks hot or cold, as long as I started it about every day there was not much smoke. there is some minor tapping in the lifters, I was asking if it could need valve guide seals to stop oil from draining into the cylinders after it sat for a while, apparently none of you know.

 

[PM Wells]

We'll never hear the true end result.

And here is the ford tractor expert questioning my integrity and honesty.

 

[ovrszd]

And here is the ford tractor expert questioning my integrity and honesty.

Well, until you prove us wrong, I'm with Rick.

I will say you have done an excellent job of Trolling this thread to 144 posts.

 

[RickB]

And here is the ford tractor expert questioning my integrity and honesty.

That is correct.

 

[airbiscuit]

This is like a car wreck. I know I shouldn't look, but I can't turn away.

 

[PM Wells]

That is correct.

You guys have your little group and you are going to protect each other, I have seen you crack the whip on anyone who questions your little wooden throne. the others are your little yes men. You are not here to help anyone, if you were you would have straight forward advice on what could be done. Is that how you treated the customers you had to deal with? try to make them look stupid, and give them that condescending attitude, and accuse them of lying.

 

[RickB]

You have proved to be unwilling to accept consistent experienced advise from several members. You did not take the opportunity to perform a compression test at a time when it made absolutely no sense not to. You continue to guess at the perceived shortcomings of your tractors engine. You have provided inconsistent conflicting information about your tractors alleged symptoms in an effort to elicit recommendations that align with your preconceived solutions. When that all proved inadequate you resort to insults. All of which seems to be the fault of myself and others.

 

[PM Wells]

What exactly would the compression test have accomplished at the time I was about to install the rebuilt injection pump?
What information would I have gotten from it, low compression and therefore the engine probably needs rebuilding,If it had been low I probably would have stopped to consider if I wanted to do any more to it. High enough compression and therefore the engine probably would run with the injection pump, either way I had over $500.00 in the pump, I decided to go forward and see what happened, it ran but smoked. I still don't think the engine needs to be rebuilt right now, That is why I am asking about valve seals

 

[RickB]

You would know more than you know now. Having information beats guessing every time.

 

[PM Wells]

You would know more than you know now. Having information beats guessing every time.

you don't realize that on one hand you all have been telling me to just go with it, and see what happens, Which I did. Then on the other hand you are telling me that I should have checked everything out so I would know where I am on it, that having information beats guessing every time.

 

[RickB]

If you had compression test results you could make a more informed decision on how to deal with the smoke that either appears or doesn’t appear depending on which of your posts I read.
There is a thought process to decision making and gathering information is a key part of a logical troubleshooting and repair strategy.
There an old redneck saying that you have to be smarter than what you are working on. There is more than a grain of truth to it.

 

[fried1765]

I'm not that far north. I live close to the forks where the Old Man River and the Bow River come together to start the South Saskatchewan River. Lethbridge is about an hour to the west and Medicine Hat is a little less than an hour to the east. If I drive south for an hour and a half I'm in Montana.

Yesterday was a nice day. Above freezing +10 C or so. This morning a cold front blew in and now we are below freezing -4 C. Tuesday we are supposed to be back up above freezing.

+10 is not bad at all, if it is sunny with calm wind.
Yesterday was a bit too warm here......31C, but today was better.....23C.
More of that 23C is forecast for next week.
I do like Florida in the Winter time, and...... I don't do Florida in the Summertime.

Last year, I sold my Summer home in Nova Scotia.
I miss it!

 

[fried1765]

If you had compression test results you could make a more informed decision on how to deal with the smoke that either appears or doesn’t appear depending on which of your posts I read.
There is a thought process to decision making and gathering information is a key part of a logical troubleshooting and repair strategy.
There an old redneck saying that you have to be smarter than what you are working on. There is more than a grain of truth to it.

" you need to be smarter than the thing is"
70+ years ago my dad explained that concept.

 

[PM Wells]

If you had compression test results you could make a more informed decision on how to deal with the [smoke that either appears or doesn’t appear depending on which of your posts I read.
There is a thought process to decision making and gathering information is a key part of a logical troubleshooting and repair strategy.
There an old redneck saying that you have to be smarter than what you are working on. There is more than a grain of truth to it.

[smoke that either appears or doesn’t appear depending on which of your posts I read.
Maybe you should go back and read my post about the times there was very little smoke, every time was when I started the engine after sitting short periods there was less that cleared up faster, when it sat for longer periods there was more smoke. there has not been a time when there was no smoke at all. Besides all that , you are far from judge and jury, if it bothers you so much, just ignore any of my post, might be good for your bp

 

[RickB]

A self explanatory PM.

 

[fried1765]

A self explanatory PM.

RickB.....just put him on your ignore list!
Rid yourself of the continuing attacks.

 

[ovrszd]

A self explanatory PM.

Good post Rick. I have no respect for someone that will PM something that they don't have the balls to say in the thread.

I would have done the same thing you did. Post it publicly. I probably would have done it quicker than you did.

 

[RickB]

Good post Rick. I have no respect for someone that will PM something that they don't have the balls to say in the thread.

I would have done the same thing you did. Post it publicly. I probably would have done it quicker than you did.

I did as soon as I saw it. I had the ***** on my ignore list for a while then figured I should know what kind of garbage he was posting.
He is back on it now.

 

[PM Wells]

I want to thank all you who sincerely were interested in this thread about trying to save a Ford 3910 tractor that had a lot of issues that could easily have made it a junker or parts tractor. I had never tried to recover one from this condition before, even though I have owned several Ford Diesel tractors before, so I was unfamiliar with the engine and injection system, and some of the mechanical operations. I was hoping by posting this thread that I could learn and maybe someone else dealing with a similar situation could find help. Sadly some of the other posters decided to get critical and judgmental toward the newbie, and tried to take the thread into a cat and mouse game. I fully intend to finish the work I started on this project, hopefully without anymore games.