So much for a Nissan Leaf!

[k0ua]

Models are like the model airplanes I built when I was a kid. They may look like the real thing but they aren't the real thing.

That right there says it all. Basing public policy on climate models is insane. And I will vote against it every change I get.

 

[houstonscott]

Models are not science. Just models. Why would anyone believe anyone's model that has been so wrong for so long? HS

 

[DarkBlack]

Why would you listen to people who say "We underestimated the speed of melting" "It's warming faster than we predicted" etc..
That's proof they were just recently WRONG. Why should you believe them now? That would be illogical.

 

[sseelhoff]

Today Tesla lost it's first of several Lemon Law (law suits) on their cars, the company tried to claim the owner had "messed" with it and caused the problems himself... This was off of the TV stock shows I watch, so have not looked into the full details on-line.

Seems to me more and more issues around the Tesla Cars are coming out so might be more issues that the green segment wants to bury out of sight & sound... As I have said in several posts Electric Cars are ok for a niche market. Someone who is a city dweller who stays in town & only drives a few miles a day/week. They are NOT for someone who lives in Rural America drives lots of miles daily, or makes multiple start/stops (small trips) on a regular basis. Then toss in the COLD weather much of the country has 1/3 of the year just keeping occupants warm in mid winter is too taxing on batteries when power is needed at worst temperature based performance of battery systems.

Mark

I don't think your first paragraph is indicative of the viability of electric cars. If so, what say you about GM. How many recalls lately? I just took delivery on a new company car in the last 60 days. (2014 Malibu). My recall notice arrived in the mail today. A bad vehicle doesn't mean too much. The Ford Pinto or the Ford Explorer did not portend the death of the auto industry. I don't see where one bad Tesla means the end of the electric car.

Your second paragraph as to the niche status of electric cars is pretty much spot on. But like any other technology, that will change over time. (Anyone still using a Commodore 64 or Apple IIc?)

 

[Citydude]

Really? You guys have obviously not seen Al Gores movie on climate change. There are models, graphs and lots of scientific stuff. :shocked:

 

[ultrarunner]

I don't think your first paragraph is indicative of the viability of electric cars. If so, what say you about GM. How many recalls lately? I just took delivery on a new company car in the last 60 days. (2014 Malibu). My recall notice arrived in the mail today. A bad vehicle doesn't mean too much. The Ford Pinto or the Ford Explorer did not portend the death of the auto industry. I don't see where one bad Tesla means the end of the electric car.

Your second paragraph as to the niche status of electric cars is pretty much spot on. But like any other technology, that will change over time. (Anyone still using a Commodore 64 or Apple IIc?)

I had to chuckle... I still have my Apple //e and drive a car from the 1930's...

Went to Home Depot last week to pickup 8 sack of concrete mix... had the 91 Silverado hitched to the trailer so I drove the 1930 Model A Pickup with a piece of old carpet in the bed... got some strange comments!

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Reminds me of an old joke-how can you tell a Baptist in a liquor store?

They're the ones that won't say hello.

Yeah, that reminds me of the old steers and queers joke about Texas... really funny, Dude.

 

[sseelhoff]

Yeah, that reminds me of the old steers and queers joke about Texas... really funny, Dude.

I didn't know you were from Texas.

 

[DarkBlack]

Here ya go kids:

"www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41709.pdf"



Written by a study by congressional research service, not words of my opinion:
"Depending on the source of the
electricity, the total carbon footprint of an electric vehicle may be less than that of a vehicle with
a traditional internal combustion engine."

A pretty intentionally uncommitted statement by a research done sponsored by the top gov.
Gee wiz, that's what I said pages ago arguing with some here that only like to argue.. Notice it says "may be", not "Is" or "will be" or "should be".

Gotta love it when the opposition proves your case.

 

[DarkBlack]

Check out all the battery car related companies payed with taxpayer money to "help" them.
"www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41709.pdf"

It's in the index. For example Johnson Controls, an already large profitable, healthy electronics company, was given 299 million of scarce taxpayer money from the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act"
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