Chains Straps or Chains (or is this too personal?)

   / Straps or Chains (or is this too personal?) #71  
Re: So where do you run them?

<font color=blue>The confusion for me occurrs with a chain. My hypothesis is that the frictionless pulley is now replaced by a very high friction grab hook from a binder or a clevice or something and in all probability acts as a stress concentrator effectively creating a "weak link" in the chain relatively speaking. Just how much weaker depends on the specific conditions</font color=blue>

Hey Gary, you can add another reason why you prefer straps to chains!

Bottom line, the strength of the chain or strap does not increase. The load capacity of the system does. It is somewhere between 1 and 2 times the single chain or strap. Too many variables to predict what the actual number is.

Should you use 1/2 strength chain or strap because you double it up? NO.

Should you feel that you are getting extra insurance by doubling it up? YES.
 
   / Straps or Chains (or is this too personal?) #72  
Re: So where do you run them?

<font color=blue>"Hey Gary, you can add another reason why you prefer straps to chains!"</font color=blue>

Yeah, if only I could explain it confidently. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif I'll stick with cleaner, lighter, quieter on my deck and easier to tighten snugly. Most all of my friends are smarter than me and would know I was bluffing with the explanation I'd have to give for that "weak link" theory. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / Straps or Chains (or is this too personal?) #73  
They did find a ripped seat belt in Dale Earnhardt's car. The phenonema is called "Dumping" and refers to when a belt slides to one side of the "eye" in the buckle or in Dale's case the adjuster. The same load is now concentrated on just part of the belt and just part of the eye. Taken far enough, the buckle will "knife" through the belt with less force than it's rating, much the same way you use a letter opener on your mail (A sharp edge left on the inside of the "eye" from the punching process wouldn't help any either).

The important thing here is that your strap isn't pulling at a sideways angle to your hook and that you haven't run the strap over a sharp edge. Last time I checked, those cold, heavy, noisy, metal chewing, storage eatin' set of chains and ratchet binders I that I use didn't have any varmit teethmarks, cuts or sunburn on them, only rust and green paint.

Greg
 
   / Straps or Chains (or is this too personal?) #74  
Re: So where do you run them?

I think I had one of the first replies, and I liked that answer much better.

<font color=purple> Definitely Chains! </font color=purple>
 
   / Straps or Chains (or is this too personal?) #75  
<font color=blue>"Last time I checked, those cold, heavy, noisy, metal chewing, storage eatin' set of chains and ratchet binders I that I use didn't have any varmit teethmarks, cuts or sunburn on them, only rust and green paint"</font color=blue>

And last time I checked my nice, light, quiet, finish protecting, storage friendly set of ratchet and axle straps didn't have any varmint teethmarks, cuts or sunburn on them, either, just a little dirt on the axle straps' sleeves. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

I will bring up one point that's not been made here as yet. I think chains are far more forgiving than straps regarding where and how you attach and run them. You have to know what you're doing with straps and you have to use them properly.

The Earnhardt example is a good one to illustrate this. The belt system was not installed according to the manufacturer's specifications and a problem resulted. I know this is stretching more than a little, but if chains had been used instead of belts they would have likely been forgiving enough to have held despite the improper installation.
 
   / Straps or Chains (or is this too personal?) #76  
"You can break your thumb off in your a** if you try hard enough". Advice given to me by a farmer. True with chains-straps-anything.

I know I haul my Harley with the small tie-downs and "soft-ties" to wrap aroung the typically chrome anchoring points on the bike. I feel totally comfortable about this and these aren't even the ratcheting type straps.

The piece of the puzzle that up to now I have been missing is these axle loop straps. Now that I am aware of them and where to get them, this addresses any anchoring concerns and I can instantly see scaling up the bike system to tractor size loads (I have catalogs coming!). As you might guess I already have this conditioning within me to observe/inspect a straps condition as I apply them so no problem there.

Right now the infrequently used bulky chains and binders make me keep the big toolbox across the bed of the truck which interferes with anchoring the bike. That's funny...

Hey, a question. Once I had a car on the trailer and with the limited anchoring points available, I didn't have enough room to easily attach the 3/8" steel binders (my chains are 5/16"). Without going out to measure, it was probably about 18" that I was working within. Would a comparably sized ratchet strap cinch up any closer?

Thanks,

Greg
 
   / Straps or Chains (or is this too personal?) #77  
<font color=blue>"Would a comparably sized ratchet strap cinch up any closer?"</font color=blue>

In the <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.awdiredt.com>AWDirect</A> catalog I think you'll find ratchets which can be attached directly to your attachment points. With those and a simple strap you should be able to make it work. The better solution is more attachment points. I just added six more to the five already welded to my hauler's steel diamond plate floor and couldn't be happier. There is no such thing as too many attachment points. Good luck. I hope this helps. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / Straps or Chains (or is this too personal?) #78  
Re: So where do you run them?

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( OK, Von... You're just showing off with those clean, shiny chains and binders now. [image]/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif[/image]<br><br>I'm under the impression the 10,000 lb. rated straps have at least a 4,700 lb. WLL, but I could be mistaken. I know that 5,000 lb. rated straps have a WLL of 3,300 lbs. If the percentage holds true, then the 10,000 lb. rated straps would have a 6,600 lb.

*WLL. )</font>

* What does it mean?

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   / Straps or Chains (or is this too personal?) #79  
Re: So where do you run them?

I think I'll just drive my tractor to where I want it.

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hey,,, it is more seat time right


Then something even better, buy a tractor for every location at which I might possible need one ?


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   / Straps or Chains (or is this too personal?) #80  
Re: So where do you run them?

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( 1*I think I'll just drive my tractor to where I want it.
2*Then something even better, buy a tractor for every location at which I might possible need one ?)</font>
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1*There are legal safety and insurance issues here.
2*And you will need a truck or trailer to haul it to the shop for service or repairs.
 

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