Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come

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   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #581  
Yeah and a trend that is not showing any signs of slowing down any time soon. I just saw on the news the other day where they said California was outlawing small petrol engines by 2025 and forcing all the outdoor power equipment to be electric. SMH
It is already here… it is illegal for me to even start my $400 Echo Brush Cutter in city limits… yet fire suppression demands increase and we are told to go battery with the example being a Stihl $3000 back pack battery system…!!!
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #582  
A very popular ploy by business today is to hire your employee's as private contractors. That way you are relieved of any perceived responsibility to provide benefits. (Healthcare, retirement, etc). And you pay these contractors at the same hourly rate that you would have paid an hourly employee. You also don't have to withhold taxes from their wages. it is their own responsibility to do that. They are on their own to provide what used to be all common company provided benefits. The result: the business saves a bunch of money, the employee likely can't afford health insurance, he will be a burden to others when he retires and he may easily not be able to pay his taxes at the end of the year and be in trouble there. I have seen this happen repeatedly. These are often the people that USER NAME TAKEN classifies as irresponsible parasites on our social systems. They didn't refuse to buy insurance, they simply can't afford to buy insurance.

It's only a "popular ploy" if those people are actually employees. You are implying that it is something illegal and it is not.

If they are truly independent contractors, that is a completely above board, and entirely in keeping with what our free market system is all about.

It is completely legal to be an independent contractor. And completely legal for a business to hire an independent contractor to do a job for them. The difference can look like not much difference at all, but it is a real difference in that everyone knows, understands, and agrees to the way the job and compensation works.

That is basic to having a freedom to choose how you want to work.

rScotty
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #583  
I had to wonder why Insurance Companies would be so short sighted in helping to create the very industry giants by squeezing the small independents so many fold?
The tractor industry is doing something similar. Dealers going online now to make Messick's style videos which is killing their sales force. At this point between YouTube and TBN who needs a tractor sales person anymore?
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #584  
It is already here… it is illegal for me to even start my $400 Echo Brush Cutter in city limits… yet fire suppression demands increase and we are told to go battery with the example being a Stihl $3000 back pack battery system…!!!
SMH....They are running that state into the ground.
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #585  
The local brokers stopped requiring floor time to avoid being construed as employee status.
My company held a meeting Tuesday mornings, 8am, to brief employees on various developments.

At some point, the manager of that department communicated that free coffee, pastries, and donuts would be catered and available as of 7:30am each Tuesday morning. Typical behavior was employees would arrive 5 or 10 minutes early, grab coffee and food, then head into the meeting.

Within a year my company was sued. An employee who had resigned their job filed a claim with the State Labor Commissioner. The claim was for back overtime pay- 1/2 hour per week. The employee alleged they felt "pressure" to show up by 7:30am on Tuesday mornings or face retaliation. The employee claimed they showed up every Tuesday for a year at 7:30am.

Our labor law attorney ($350/hr) presented our defense. She argued the 1/2 hour period was not working hours, there was no pressure to attend, and no retaliation if you did not. She presented other employees who testified that the complaining employee rarely ever showed up before 8am.

We lost-- the entire employee claim was awarded. The attorney bill was a few thousand dollars. And we owed the complaining employee a year's overtime pay plus penalties, interest, and damages.

Sometimes in business, things go bump in the night. Oh well-- you move on. But what tweaked me was the reasoning we received about the decision to award entirely in favor of the employee. The Labor Commissioner cited "the employer failed to present signed time cards covering the 1/2 hour period for each week."

In the end, everyone lost except the now-departed employee.
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #586  
My company held a meeting Tuesday mornings, 8am, to brief employees on various developments.

At some point, the manager of that department communicated that free coffee, pastries, and donuts would be catered and available as of 7:30am each Tuesday morning. Typical behavior was employees would arrive 5 or 10 minutes early, grab coffee and food, then head into the meeting.

Within a year my company was sued. An employee who had resigned their job filed a claim with the State Labor Commissioner. The claim was for back overtime pay- 1/2 hour per week. The employee alleged they felt "pressure" to show up by 7:30am on Tuesday mornings or face retaliation. The employee claimed they showed up every Tuesday for a year at 7:30am.

Our labor law attorney ($350/hr) presented our defense. She argued the 1/2 hour period was not working hours, there was no pressure to attend, and no retaliation if you did not. She presented other employees who testified that the complaining employee rarely ever showed up before 8am.

We lost-- the entire employee claim was awarded. The attorney bill was a few thousand dollars. And we owed the complaining employee a year's overtime pay plus penalties, interest, and damages.

Sometimes in business, things go bump in the night. Oh well-- you move on. But what tweaked me was the reasoning we received about the decision to award entirely in favor of the employee. The Labor Commissioner cited "the employer failed to present signed time cards covering the 1/2 hour period for each week."

In the end, everyone lost except the now-departed employee.
California is on a path to ruin.
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #587  
SMH....They are running that state into the ground.
The term is to fundamentally transform life as we know it.

My belief is it is partly arrogance combined with ignorance…

Trace it back to unleaded gas and emission controls is what I have heard in the halls of Sacramento…

Basically, California is so big and important the State can dictate and others will fall in line or get a brief respite by leaving but in time what happens here will go nationwide if not Alaska and Hawaii…

Maybe Deere and the Union also see themselves in the same light?
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #588  
Basically, California is so big and important the State can dictate and others will fall in line or get a brief respite by leaving but in time what happens here will go nationwide if not Alaska and Hawaii…
That's what they think...
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #589  
Wow. I have been in a bunch of termination related hearings here in Texas. Never lost one. Texas is 'at will' but our practices for termination were overly fair. My favorite was when someone was a low performer. I just showed the judge the data with employees 2 standard deviations below their peers. Then the large number of attempts to improve through coaching and training. Sometimes it was almost painful hearing a judge lay into someone for wasting her time.

I guess that is another reason some businesses relocate. I'm am sure some employers are unfair. In my experience, it is usually individual managers who are, not the business as a whole. If states award damages on something so obviously clear, I would be out.
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #590  
Was their some kind of pre existing conditions that would warrant that kind of premium? (P.S I'm not trying to pry into your health records as it's none of my business)
Yes the pre existing condition probably was I was a male in my upper 50's then 60's which is probably high risk. I would have taken the risk and gone without health insurance during the 7 year gap between 58 and 65 and paid for visits and any procedures cash out of pocket IF I could pay the hugely discounted amount that Medicare, Medicaid, or insurance would pay.
As I say people with good insurance really have a leg up on the rest of us.
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #591  
Yes the pre existing condition probably was I was a male in my upper 50's then 60's which is probably high risk. I would have taken the risk and gone without health insurance during the 7 year gap between 58 and 65 and paid for visits and any procedures cash out of pocket IF I could pay the hugely discounted amount that Medicare, Medicaid, or insurance would pay.
As I say people with good insurance really have a leg up on the rest of us.
This has been an eye opener for me today.
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #592  
It's only a "popular ploy" if those people are actually employees. You are implying that it is something illegal and it is not.

If they are truly independent contractors, that is a completely above board, and entirely in keeping with what our free market system is all about.

It is completely legal to be an independent contractor. And completely legal for a business to hire an independent contractor to do a job for them. The difference can look like not much difference at all, but it is a real difference in that everyone knows, understands, and agrees to the way the job and compensation works.

That is basic to having a freedom to choose how you want to work.

rScotty
Yeah, I think some people are quite confused about the whole employee/contractor thing.
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #593  
Yes the pre existing condition probably was I was a male in my upper 50's then 60's which is probably high risk. I would have taken the risk and gone without health insurance during the 7 year gap between 58 and 65 and paid for visits and any procedures cash out of pocket IF I could pay the hugely discounted amount that Medicare, Medicaid, or insurance would pay.
As I say people with good insurance really have a leg up on the rest of us.

Yes, cancellation is real - although it may be camouflaged as something else. I've wondered if the "pre-existing condition" could be as simple as not having any health related insurance claims for so long that statistically a person is likely to have one in the next few years. That sounds so strange that it might even be true.

Or a small specialty insurance company may be forced to expand their pool of insured to include people they wouldn't normally cover. They can then either price themselves out of the market or shut down their insurance business.

I don't know what the answer is.
As I get older I try to tell people about the problems in the system we have, and I see people like you doing the same. And of course I remember being younger and hearing the same thing from my elders. But I didn't pay attention. I thought someone would fix it if it was really a problem, and oldsters complain about too many things anyway.
Some people are so invested into believing in the system that exists that they somehow want to believe its flaws won't apply to them.
Or they argue that the system is regulated to prevent inequities from happening - ignoring what happens when regulatory commissioners take the side of the insurance agencies.

Like I said, I don't know the answers. But big changes are needed.
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #594  
History shows that those that do all the right things often have similar outcomes as those who don't when it comes to insurance because government covers the shortfall...

Fires, Floods, Earthquakes, Tornados, etc...

Health Insurance really is no different...

I started paying my own Prudent Buyer health insurance at age 18... It was not an optional as laid out by my parents... started at $48 a month and it took one weekend of my weekend job to cover it... paid into it 15 years until I went to work where benefits offered...

Not a single claim in 14 years. At one time I wanted to upgrade and was told I had insufficient medical records and would have to pay for a full physical and blood work to be considered...

I guess having no claims was a red flag?

Covered California is suppose to cover everyone and I know families that pay nothing but if I sell Real Estate I'm slapped with a tax for insurance???
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #596  
Can't take credit... just fortunate plus having RN for a mom...

Never had my blood drawn until my hospital changed ownership and then it was extensive on-boarding process taking 6 weeks including credit checks, etc...

I provided my baby book of vaccinations and was told we are just going to start over... like hell we are.

Insisted on a Titer test and all was good... but Titer costs employer more than simple giving the entire series a second time... Outlaw fits at least with HR...

But not a single person from Corp is still with the company...

I can understand the Union and Deere squaring off over medical but reality always takes over...
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #597  
Insurance is the problem. Get rid of insurance and go to private pay or open up the system and let more insurance companies come in and compete. In my state we only have virtually one insurance company, Blue Cross Blue Shield.
Lobbyists pouring money into the hands of corrupt lawmakers is the problem.
Insurance Companies, Pharma, Big Tech... a long, long list.

(yeah,I know, "Political". See you all in a couple weeks :LOL: ).
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #598  
A wise elder once told me when things don't make sense... Follow the Money

I have found this to be often true like when I found better coverage for my company but didn't realize the owners had a vested interest in rejecting it.
 
   / Strike at Deere plants in the US, more supply chain shortage to come #599  
Covered California is suppose to cover everyone and I know families that pay nothing but if I sell Real Estate I'm slapped with a tax for insurance???
California doesn't take too kindly to folks who are independent and pay their own way like you. They want dependents that will forever need them.
 
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