Buying Advice sub compact tractor

[Martian]

Negative. The Max is longer, wider and higher than a subcut. My property and lots of others out there won't support that size machine.

You know what you should do in this situation. Don't buy it!! Radical, I know.

They come to TBN for advice, they are advised to get a subcut, they go shopping and run across this fantastic deal on this "subcut" called a Mahindra.

The machine looked small on the lot, but they get it home and it's too big, but, the TBN guys said get a subcut..........and the buyer did(according to Mahindra).

Now it's TBN's fault, cause we should have known that the "Mahindra subcut" was actually a "cut sized machine", but marketed as a subcompact.

So your one of those that pass the blame? I, for one, have taken 'the blame' for something that was more than likely more others fault than my own, because I'm an honest man and admit my mistakes. For someone to try and blame a forum for their tractor purchase is laughable at that. Sites like TBN are a crutch at best for tractor buyers, and if you actually watch the forum. Most people aren't pricing out different tractors, but asking how to use them, how to do this and that.

We as a community lose face with the public because Mahindra thinks they can reclassify at will and nobody will notice.

And what will this do to us? Shall we call the supreme court and demand end to this tyranny of Mahindra? They aren't reclassifying anything, but trying to move in the way they believe the market is going.

I disagree with Mahindra and their classification of the Max Series.

Through this, I'm just glad that you've finally admitted that it's what you believe. These are not facts your are pouring out. No math equation is able to say true or false. This is real life, where there are to many millions of variables for us to count to truly consider one is comparable to another, unless they are the exact same. Mahindra's goal is to BE DIFFERENT. They think by opening a different door they will open a market to a whole new untapped customer base, and as the sales show, they have done it very, very well.

 

[Gary Fowler]

Don, you are ranting to the choir. If a person buys a major investment tool like a tractor based soley off advertising, then in my opinion he deserves to be contented or not with his purchase.
I dont know of anyone here that says buy a SCUT or CUT that is not followed by naming a brand that they are familiar with or own. Do a search and if you can find one instance of anyone recommending a tractor for a specific chore by say SCUT or CUT or Utility and not followed up by saying like a XXXX Kubota or XXXX John Deere or what ever brand that they have or wish they had. If you can find that I will gladly kiss your ***** and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd.
Your incessant ranting makes me think that you misplaced your meds.

 

[Don87]

You know what you should do in this situation. Don't buy it!! Radical, I know.



So your one of those that pass the blame? I, for one, have taken 'the blame' for something that was more than likely more others fault than my own, because I'm an honest man and admit my mistakes. For someone to try and blame a forum for their tractor purchase is laughable at that. Sites like TBN are a crutch at best for tractor buyers, and if you actually watch the forum. Most people aren't pricing out different tractors, but asking how to use them, how to do this and that.


And what will this do to us? Shall we call the supreme court and demand end to this tyranny of Mahindra? They aren't reclassifying anything, but trying to move in the way they believe the market is going.


Through this, I'm just glad that you've finally admitted that it's what you believe. These are not facts your are pouring out. No math equation is able to say true or false. This is real life, where there are to many millions of variables for us to count to truly consider one is comparable to another, unless they are the exact same. Mahindra's goal is to BE DIFFERENT. They think by opening a different door they will open a market to a whole new untapped customer base, and as the sales show, they have done it very, very well.

No sense in replying to the rest of your rant, because it is nonsensical..........but this I will respond to.

The lines have been drawn for years regarding scuts/cuts...........just because you fail to understand them doesn't change anything. I have responded with nothing but facts, but for some reason........facts elude some in here.

Mahindra does not sell a subcompact tractor, the specifications bear these facts out.

 

[Don87]

Don, you are ranting to the choir. If a person buys a major investment tool like a tractor based soley off advertising, then in my opinion he deserves to be contented or not with his purchase.
I dont know of anyone here that says buy a SCUT or CUT that is not followed by naming a brand that they are familiar with or own. Do a search and if you can find one instance of anyone recommending a tractor for a specific chore by say SCUT or CUT or Utility and not followed up by saying like a XXXX Kubota or XXXX John Deere or what ever brand that they have or wish they had. If you can find that I will gladly kiss your ***** and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd.
Your incessant ranting makes me think that you misplaced your meds.

Count your astericks.....1 too many!

I have produced proof that Mahindra is falsely advertising their product. What you choose to do is your choice.

But you and I both know that newcomers to TBN do in fact rely on our opinions, and it is our duty to hold their trust dearly, if you choose to shirk those duties......maybe TBN isn't the place for you.

 

[Martian]

No sense in replying to the rest of your rant, because it is nonsensical..........but this I will respond to.

The lines have been drawn for years regarding scuts/cuts...........just because you fail to understand them doesn't change anything. I have responded with nothing but facts, but for some reason........facts elude some in here.

Mahindra does not sell a subcompact tractor, the specifications bear these facts out.

Ok. You keep saying that it's not a SCUT, but a SCUT is different to different people. Personally, I've been around larger tractors my whole life. A had a big Allis Chalmers that I owned forever, then the 5410 and I've used large construction equipment other large farm equipment. When I bought the 5410, it was because I was used to that size of a tractor. I could have easily gone with a compact, but it felt like a SCUT, because my 5410 felt like a CUT. Then I got my 3120 and that was even SCUTier to me. It was much smaller than I like, but admittedly it did the job ok. I'd much preferred my 5410 in many scenario's, though. The 3120 just felt to small, it felt like a SCUT to me. Am I wrong in thinking that my 3120 is a SCUT? It's my perception of it. But by labeling it as a SCUT what is it really doing? Nothing at all. Only labeling what I perceive to be a SCUT, a CUT and an UT. My SCUT 3120 is sure a heck more powerful than a SCUT, but which is which? Or is it only a perception?

PS: I did enjoy how you left out the factual parts of my previous post:laughing:

 

[Don87]

Ok. You keep saying that it's not a SCUT, but a SCUT is different to different people. :

Wrong answer. A scut is clearly defined.........smaller you get a garden tractor, larger you get a compact utility tractor.

Your perception is of no consequence to this discussion. Facts is facts...........Mahindra does not sell a subcomact tractor.

 

[Martian]

Wrong answer. A scut is clearly defined.........smaller you get a garden tractor, larger you get a compact utility tractor.

Your perception is of no consequence to this discussion. Facts is facts...........Mahindra does not sell a subcomact tractor.

I'm confused. Last I checked Deere's 4720 (66HP) and Kubota's L5740 (60HP) are still considered CUTs. Though you may be saying that the B/2x20 size, the 3x20/L3x40 Lx40 size etc, etc are all SCUTs because they are indeed between a garden tractor and a CUT. This would also clearly define the MAX as a SCUT as it is definitely between a garden tractor and 4720, correct? Your definition is clearly much to vague. This will likely confuse a prospective buyer on what to preclude as SCUT, as that is the only form of classification.

 

[NHmitch]

First, please don't get lost in the arguments, or conversations on here. Most people mean well, and are very brand loyal, and the fact of the matter is, there are a lot of great tractors out there. I have a Bolens Iseki, but If I was to buy a tractor for what you need it for, I would definitely go with a remanufactured Yanmar. They are the company that makes tractors for John Deere, and they are great machines for what you want to do. The best part is, you are going to get a tractor, with a new loader, and ROPS starting around $5k. They definitely do not break the bank. I own my tractor, and all of the implements, and no payments at the beginning of the month. They restore them from the ground up. This will be my next tractor purchase. I hope that you can find something that fits your price range, and your needs! You may also want to search on craigslist and see what is available in your area. I plow my garden and field and do all of the work on our small farm, and theres a lot of work, with a 26 year old, 15hp 4x4 tractor, and I never have an issue. You will have no problem with a 1 acre vegetable farm with a smaller tractor and you will not have loan to worry about. Most of Europe, and the rest of the world use smaller tractors, and turn out great crops. I think that there are great larger tractors in the US, but a lot of people buy way to big of a tractor for what they really need. You don't need a 30+hp tractor for what you want to do. You want to make your farm profitable, even if its is just for your own family. I can use a tiller, or just about any implement that you would find on a larger tractor, just the right size our needs. Having that said, there are some great deals in most areas on older 2wd tractors, like 8n's but again, don't buy bigger than you need, diesel isn't getting any cheaper. I have no connection to this company, but I really like what they have to offer, and what they have to say, Good Luck! Below are a few videos of smaller tractors, 15hp to about 25hp, 2wd, and 4wd, doing the type of work that you want to do.Nothing against anything that anyone suggests, I just thought you may want to start out with something that will save you some money.

Mitch

Used tractors for sale, used Yanmar tractors, reconditioned Yanmar tractor, Gray Market

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[Don87]

I'm confused. Last I checked Deere's 4720 (66HP) and Kubota's L5740 (60HP) are still considered CUTs. Though you may be saying that the B/2x20 size, the 3x20/L3x40 Lx40 size etc, etc are all SCUTs because they are indeed between a garden tractor and a CUT. This would also clearly define the MAX as a SCUT as it is definitely between a garden tractor and 4720, correct? Your definition is clearly much to vague. This will likely confuse a prospective buyer on what to preclude as SCUT, as that is the only form of classification.

ok...........so you are now comparing a Deere 4720 to a Kubota bx series.............


Anyone got the number for 911............Martian needs a paramedic.


Mahindra does not market a subcompact tractor.

 

[Martian]

ok...........so you are now comparing a Deere 4720 to a Kubota bx series.............

Anyone got the number for 911............Martian needs a paramedic.

Mahindra does not market a subcompact tractor.

Just confusing when you say between a GT and a CUT, as that's such a wide radius for what the tractor can be. I'm just going by your definition of a SCUT. Don't want to confuse the newbies.

My point is that there's no clear definition. They are used as loose guidelines and you still need to do your own research on what you need. Therefore, this entire argument is irrelevant because a SCUT cannot be consistently and clearly defined.

 

[jenkinsph]

i'm new here and looking for advice on what sub compact tractor to buy in terms of price, value and reliability. i will be buying used and will be using it to till a 1 acre vegatable garden. Thanks in advance for any insight

First, sorry about the rants disrupting your thread.

Tilling a one acre garden can be done with a wide variety of machines. Which size and power you go with will determine how much time you will spend doing this. I have a 24hp machine with a 60" tiller that will do this and I have a 60hp machine with a 72" tiller that will do this much faster. If this will be your "go to" machine I would look for something around 30hp with higher clearance, position control on the 3ph and hydrostatic transmission.

There should be lots of models and brands that would fit you well, I like Deere and am more familiar with them, something along the lines of a 2720 with a 655 tiller would be my suggestion. Lots of other brands will offer tractors that are very good choices too, I am just not as familiar with all the model numbers.

A one acre garden is a big garden imo, get a machine with more ground clearance that will allow you to use a cultivator to ease some of the labor.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Mahindra does not make a subcompact tractor.

You should put this in your signature line.
larry

 

[Martian]

i'm new here and looking for advice on what sub compact tractor to buy in terms of price, value and reliability. i will be buying used and will be using it to till a 1 acre vegatable garden. Thanks in advance for any insight

I do feel the need to apologize, but all the nonsense should be over:thumbsup:

I reread your post, and if you want to do a 1 acre garden a SCUT is not enough. Are you sure on the 1 acre figure, as it is very large. I bought an 80" tiller to go behind my 85HP 5410 to do a garden about a 1/3 the size. For really soft dirt that was nicely spread with some horse compost from my farm took me a couple hours. It was probably 60 yards long by 40 yards wide. I'm not saying you couldn't do it with a SCUT, but it would take a long time. You would be better off with a plow than a tiller in this scenario, though.

 

[Don87]

Just confusing when you say between a GT and a CUT, as that's such a wide radius for what the tractor can be. I'm just going by your definition of a SCUT. Don't want to confuse the newbies.

My point is that there's no clear definition. They are used as loose guidelines and you still need to do your own research on what you need. Therefore, this entire argument is irrelevant because a SCUT cannot be consistently and clearly defined.

The clearest definition, that is generally reckognized, is that the subcut has limited lifting capabilities on the 3pt. hitch. Smaller attachments made specifically for subcuts are generally used.

The Max series, with the 3 inch taller tires(4 inch in the case of ags), will allow the use of full cat 1 implements that brings it into the CUT category.

 

[Martian]

The clearest definition, that is generally reckognized, is that the subcut has limited lifting capabilities on the 3pt. hitch. Smaller attachments made specifically for subcuts are generally used.

The Max series, with the 3 inch taller tires(4 inch in the case of ags), will allow the use of full cat 1 implements that brings it into the CUT category.

I guess it's not:laughing:

But to your theory, Kubota's BX does not have a Cat 1 limited (proper term) 3PH. The BX has a full Cat 1 hitch. So is Kubota misrepresenting their product as well? Deere's 1 series has a Cat 1 limited, so it's obviously unfair for Kubota to compare to the 1 series...

 

[s219]

I doubt the "on paper" classification matters a whole lot to most people. At least when I was shopping, I wandered all over the space that included the JD 1-series, JD 2-series, Kubota BX, and Kubota B. It came down to getting the most tractor for the money that was able to fill my needs. Those needs included power, features, capability/capacity, and not being too big in order to skid logs through narrow paths the woods.

Thus, many factors went into it. All of these tractors crossed through that intersection of price, capability, and size that defined my sweet spot. There was a lot of overlap. I don't ever remember caring how the tractors were classified by their manufacturer (why add more complication?). I think the new Max series would have fit into the mix quite well, and probably would have been a strong candidate.

Don, if you think Mahindra is playing loose with classification, then you can probably see how it could be a double edged sword. On the plus side for Mahindra, many shoppers will see it as getting more tractor for their money. But a lot of people specifically choose based on size and emphasis on things like mowing and gardening, so smaller is better. Someone who's comfortable with the small size of say, a BX or 1-series, could see the Max as too big, and probably not buy a Mahindra because of that. Look at how many people buy small pickups when they could get a full size for the same or less money. Things like this can go both ways. Mahindra could very well be sizing themselves out of the real sub-compact market.

 

[Don87]

I doubt the "on paper" classification matters a whole lot to most people. At least when I was shopping, I wandered all over the space that included the JD 1-series, JD 2-series, Kubota BX, and Kubota B. It came down to getting the most tractor for the money that was able to fill my needs. Those needs included power, features, capability/capacity, and not being too big in order to skid logs through narrow paths the woods.

Thus, many factors went into it. All of these tractors crossed through that intersection of price, capability, and size that defined my sweet spot. There was a lot of overlap. I don't ever remember caring how the tractors were classified by their manufacturer (why add more complication?). I think the new Max series would have fit into the mix quite well, and probably would have been a strong candidate.

Don, if you think Mahindra is playing loose with classification, then you can probably see how it could be a double edged sword. On the plus side for Mahindra, many shoppers will see it as getting more tractor for their money. But a lot of people specifically choose based on size and emphasis on things like mowing and gardening, so smaller is better. Someone who's comfortable with the small size of say, a BX or 1-series, could see the Max as too big, and probably not buy a Mahindra because of that. Look at how many people buy small pickups when they could get a full size for the same or less money. Things like this can go both ways. Mahindra could very well be sizing themselves out of the real sub-compact market.

They already have. Mahindra doesn't offer a real subcut.

That's been my point the entire time. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Adamski]

Guys,

This has been an interesting debate about the classification of the Mahindra Max series. As a buyer of my very first real tractor (I have a new John Deere 1026R ordered); I looked at the Mahindra MAX22 and even drove a MAX28 recently. I studied and compared the specs for the John Deere 1023E & 1026R, Massey GC2400, Kubota BX2360 & BX2660 and the Mahindra MAX22. I noted that some of these "subcompacts" had heavy frames while others had partial frames with the transmission bolted directly to the engine and acting as a frame. I sat on them, drove some of them, explored their apparent servicability and examined their features, capabilities and attachments.

Here is my newbie impression of which models seemed like SCUTS and which seemed like CUTS. I feel like the only tractor that I would call a "small CUT" is the Mahindra MAX28. All the other models I mentioned appeared to be within a wisker's difference of each other both in appearance and feel from the driver's seat and I'd call them SCUTS.

I did not want too high a tractor as stability is important to me. That is one of the reasons that I eliminated the Mahindra MAX22 from the running. Both the Massey and the Kubota looked quite sexy (Can a tractor be sexy?) with their curved FEL booms but the John Deere and Mahindra booms looked stronger. When it came right down to it, I bought the JD for the ease of removing and installing the attachments, the driver comfort, the company and the servicability. SCUT vs CUT did not play a role in my decision but, then again, I was never in the market for a CUT in the first place.

Larry

 

[mike69440]

Guys,

This has been an interesting debate about the classification of the Mahindra Max series. As a buyer of my very first real tractor (I have a new John Deere 1026R ordered); I looked at the Mahindra MAX22 and even drove a MAX28 recently. I studied and compared the specs for the John Deere 1023E & 1026R, Massey GC2400, Kubota BX2360 & BX2660 and the Mahindra MAX22. I noted that some of these "subcompacts" had heavy frames while others had partial frames with the transmission bolted directly to the engine and acting as a frame. I sat on them, drove some of them, explored their apparent servicability and examined their features, capabilities and attachments.

Here is my newbie impression of which models seemed like SCUTS and which seemed like CUTS. I feel like the only tractor that I would call a "small CUT" is the Mahindra MAX28. All the other models I mentioned appeared to be within a wisker's difference of each other both in appearance and feel from the driver's seat and I'd call them SCUTS.

I did not want too high a tractor as stability is important to me. That is one of the reasons that I eliminated the Mahindra MAX22 from the running. Both the Massey and the Kubota looked quite sexy (Can a tractor be sexy?) with their curved FEL booms but the John Deere and Mahindra booms looked stronger. When it came right down to it, I bought the JD for the ease of removing and installing the attachments, the driver comfort, the company and the servicability. SCUT vs CUT did not play a role in my decision but, then again, I was never in the market for a CUT in the first place.

Larry

Larry,
You did a good job in your appraisal of CUT vs SCUT. A small CUT should definitely have a real frame, full Cat. 1 hitch, with a decent loader. Wheel base and tire size will be a big jump on a small CUT vs SCUT. It gets blurry on weight, as some small cuts are about the same as the larger SCUT's.

No question the MAX 28 is a small CUT, and a serious contender to replace my Kubota B7200 when the situation allows. I like its small size/ big specs and weight.

As physical size of the MAX 22/25 are close to the other SCUT's I'll call it a Heavyweight SCUT. Still a yard tractor not a field machine.