thinking of upgrade to 2305

   / thinking of upgrade to 2305 #31  
Orlo,

Yes, it is much faster. Also, keep in mind the implement flow of the 2520 is, I think, around 5 gpm; where the 2320 is around 3.4 and the 2305 is around 2.9. The lift capacities for the 2320 and 2520 are pretty close, as is the PSI both of which are notably more than the 2305. In using all three, one gets what one expects. The 2520/2720 are the fastest, and notably so; the 2320 is in the middle and the 2305 is the slowest. I have used each of these machines and the 2320 has a notably faster loader speed than does the 2305, and it lifts more.

John M
 
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#32  
Well I am still waiting to hear back from John Deere. So that gives me more time to complicate this discussion and my decision.

I have decided to go with either the 2305 or the 2320 anything bigger would be wasteful and anything smaller like a 7 series is not up to the task. I agree with some of the posts saying that 90% of the time I will be mowing and that is true once the lawn is in place and the yard is done but that may be a 1 to 3 years from now. In the meantime I do need to pull those stumps, level the backyard, convert some wooded area into the yard, level out the terrain of the front etc. For that I think I do need a FEL with a toothbar either machine will do, however the faster hydraulics and the extra weight of the 2320 should make the job easier. The differences between the MMMs of the 2305 & 2320 seem minimal. Both do a great job. Does one work better than the other, not that I have read but the drive over deck is neat. The BH is still a wide open debate for me. My gut says just pull the trigger but my brain is saying not yet.

I started out looking for the best all around machine that John Deere makes. I want a machine that is a bit of overkill that way it will do everything I need/want it to. When starting this post I thought I found it in the 2305, but as the discussions continue I find myself leaning to the 2320. Where does it stop there always seems to be an upgrade or something better. And as many of you out there have already dealt with, I want to buy the right machine the first time and have no regrets. The 2305 is a huge upgrade for me as I have never owned a tractor. It is able to do everything I need just a little slower than the 2320. Ground clearance is not that much of a concern. A folding ROPS would be great and to get one through JD for the 2305 is $700 bucks. Before I spend $700 on a folding ROPS I would just upgrade. The thought of just taking the ROPS off has run though my mind a number of times but I am sure it is a foolish thought as they are there for a reason. Anyway I appreciate everyone痴 feedback and input.
 
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#33  
Anyone have side by side pictures of the 2305 and 2320? Or know of a spot on the net I can look thanks.

Also I would be thinking about a box blade. I have never used one are they worth it?
 
   / thinking of upgrade to 2305 #34  
I could not live without my box blade. I have the Frontier 2048. You will need it to smooth things out and move dirt around. With the toothbar on the bucket it will be the only effective way to really smooth things out. The rippers on it help rip roots and rocks out of the ground as well. A triple bonus is the weight of it makes a great counterbalance to the loader. Get the heaviest one you can afford. Nothing less that the 2048 on the 2320 - probably no wider though.

Don't take the ROPS off. Plenty of video links in the safety forum here to show you why. If you get the foldable one then you can put it down when tree clearance is a problem. Just know that you wear the seatbelt when ROPS is up and must NOT wear it when ROPS is down.
 
   / thinking of upgrade to 2305 #35  
Some things can't be done "just slower" with a smaller machine. Here is a link to a video of a 2320 digging a stump with the backhoe. Though the backhoe is about the same price as the one on a 2305, it is just stronger. You would not be breaking roots this size with the 2305 hoe.
YouTube - Removing a Stump with a John Deere Tractor
Here is a picture of a 2305 beside a 2320
 

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   / thinking of upgrade to 2305 #36  
Anyone have side by side pictures of the 2305 and 2320? Or know of a spot on the net I can look thanks.

Also I would be thinking about a box blade. I have never used one are they worth it?

It sounds like you haven't seen these tractors in person. If you haven't sat on one or tried it out it would be even harder making the right choice. Is there other dealers within a reasonable distant from you where they might have these tractors or have sold them to someone where you might look at them.
 
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Funny you mention this as I asked the dealer today if I could stop up next week and look at both. Here's the problem. The dealer has a 2305 but it does not have a FEL or BH on it. They do not have a 2320 on the lot and MIGHT have one this spring but no promises. The other dealer within 25 miles has not returned two phone calls and one email. I even emailed JD and asked them to locate the best dealer who would have both. I only get an email back saying they reached out to a few dealers and I should hear form someone. I have not.
I have sat on a 2305 but I have not driven one as the dealer was closed. I have no real seat time. I am going next Wednesday to drive the 2305, but without the attachments I am afraid I can not get a good feel. Hence the main reason for all my questions.
The dealer told me today that he feels the 2305 would be the best machine for me. The 2320 not only costs more but so does the BH and MMM so the differences in more like $4000 not $2000.
 
   / thinking of upgrade to 2305 #38  
I can appreciate the needs analysis, fact-finding and decisioning process you're going through as I did the same thing last year.

Originally, I was going to buy a 2305 TLB and got a good price quote on it, too, $17500 delivered. But I ended up with a 2520 instead! How did that happen?

The 2305 TLB is a wondrous little ant, that given enough time, can with little bites literally move mountains while retaining the maneuverability of a garden tractor. But it has characteristics that may or may not be issues for you. For example, the low ground clearance and lack of protection around the hydro filter was a show stopper for me because of the work I'm doing in the woods.

The 2520 has more power, hydraulic flow, ground clearance and load bearing capacity. It's heavier, transfers more power to ground and PTO attchments and is more rugged. But depending on the jobs in mind, one may or may not be more versatile or best suited to your needs than the other.

I initially identified landscaping as primary use, i.e., moving earth and bulk other materials, digging post holes, lifting trees and shrubs, and pulling logs and wagons. Later I added moving 500-800 lb. rocks. And since then I've added subsoiling and tilling (method to be determined, plow or rototiller) multiple 4+ acre fields along with small garden plots.

Before making the buying decision I rented a 2520 with FEL and backhoe for a weekend and tested how well it could everything I had in mind. I even dug out the stump of a 60 ft spruce tree, pulled some old fence posts and moved that 10 yard pile of gravel I'd had sitting around for too long. I also visited the dealer and drove around the 2305 and 2320. I found that, ergonomically, the 2305 and 2520 had equivalent operator feel, but with the 2320 my knee kept banging the dual SCV control stick. And although the dealer was willing to sell any or all of the three, he would not sell a 2320 with backhoe as there were too many issues regarding the suitability of a hoe on that model and product returns.

The 2520 cost a LOT more than the 2305, money that could have been spent on more attachments. If I'd bought the 2305, this winter I'd be moving snow with a snowblower rather than the FEL, and in the comfort of an after market heated cab! In restrospect, I realize that for the really heavy or big jobs or jobs that I don't have a lot of time to do, I'll rent a machine designed and sized for it, as in the long run it'll be cheaper and safer to have the right machine and minimize the wear and tear on the 2520.

I now have 45 hours on the beast. Without the hydro oil and coolant heaters it starts and goes when the temperature is well below zero. It does everything I ask it to do. And I enjoy the seat time. I think you will, too, regardless of which model you end up buying.

Kamik
 
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#39  
Kamik,

Thanks for the response I do appreciate it.

You mentioned that the dealer would not sell a 2320 with a BH because there were too many issues regarding the suitability of a hoe on that model and product returns. Was that the same for the 2305 or would he sell a 2305 with a BH. Afterall the 2305s BH is smaller.
 
   / thinking of upgrade to 2305 #40  
No problem with a hoe on the 2305 and 2520, only on the 2320. Keep in mind that his experience may not be representative of the total population of 2320s with backhoe's - there are probably many out there digging just fine.

The hoe is a standard option for the 2320 and I believe the dealer and/or manufacturer would support any customer experiencing a legitimate issue with the product.

Kamik
 

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