tire changing question

[gerard]

Gotta agree with you Bird, think they were put on way too tight. Since they have lock washers anyway I don't see them loosening up too easily anyhow? They were probably put on with a 1 inch air impact that puts out like 900 ft lbs or something! Anyhow since I don't forsee ever wanting them at the narrow position again it's something I don't have to worry about near term. PS my offer still stands about shipping you some rain! LOL

 

[W5FL]

Now you see why I want a 3/4 inch impact wrench. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Hate to be ignorant, but on this I am. Is there really a frontwards and backwards to ag tires. I've seen them mounted both ways with the lugs "pointing" towards the front when they are at the bottom of rotation and towards the back. Visualizing the tread under the tire it seems like mounting them what would be conventionally termed as backwards would provide more force going forward, or is just a mud throw off ability that is lost. I notice my BX tires have rotational arrows on them.

It came to my attention reading the comments on narrow vs wide and the advice to switch the wheels left and right but no mention of demounting the tires first. Or maybe switching them left and right was because they were going to be reversed.

If you have your tires remounted for some reason by a regular tire store (they can usually only handle the fronts) you mention to the guy tactfully without being insulting about the direction, long ago I had a tire guy put one on "backwards" I didn't even notice it until another guy said, "why is your front tire on backwards?"



And to Wen, I always wanted to get one of the 1" impact wrenches, I didn't have the suggested air flow to operate it but alway kidded my friend who worked with me that I wanted one but reason I didn't was that I didn't want to see him spin around like a propellor on a jammed bolt (he's height/weight correct, I'm not...)

 

[Bird]

Yes, del, there is a direction ag tires are intended to turn, and I thought all of them had an arrow on the side showing the proper direction; at least my Goodyears and Firestones do. But I'll have to admit that I don't know exactly what difference it would make if you put them on backwards, other than perhaps not being as "self cleaning" in mud.

Bird

 

[Thomas]

del,
I believe when mounting the thread in a certain derection does make a differents,
less damage to the ground also traction.
Also like bird written self cleaning.

Heck give it a whirl and see what you like the best. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Thomas..NH

 

[MJB]

Del.. There certainly is a difference between forward and backward on ag tires. I currently use an old Case DC-4 tractor (about 5500 lbs) with a rear grader blade to move snow in the winter and do some dirt grading in the summer. There is just no comparison in the amout of traction the tires get in opposite directions. I ended up getting tire chains so that I would be able to do some pushing in reverse. My uncle has a little Ford 4x4 tractor with a rear scoop bucket and he turned one of his rear tires around backward so that he could get some more traction in reverse. That said, I have seen some tractor pulls where they will turn both rear wheels around, but I only see this when they are pulling on asphalt or concrete. For most uses it is just best to keep the direction arrows pointing forward. MJB

 

[ejb]

Haven't read all of the other response to your post, but I would think one eprson should be able to handle this just fine....just today I had to remount a tire on my JD5410, it weighs somewhere around 1000-1200 pounds, and me and one other person did manage to man handle it off the ground and up to the axel(with no equipment other than a breaker bar and some wood cribbing)...it wasn't easy, especially since it was about 95 degrees and near 100% humidity, but we did it....so if two people can do this, I say one person should be able to do yours.

Good luck.

 

[Rowski]

del

On our plow truck we run a Nokia Hakka 10. This tire is a mud and snow tire. The "blocks" are arranged so that the tread void creates chevrons like the lugs on an Ag tire. The tire when rolling in the forward direction is digging (pushing the snow away from the center so the tire can dig to more solid ground). When backing up (tire rolling backward) the snow is pulled inward toward the center of the tire. I get much better traction going forwrd. This is what the tire was designed to do. But, in backing up on snow coverd ice it is an advantage becuase the tire does not dig it "holds the snow under the tire (going easy on the throttle). Hope this helps.

My intention (in my next thought) is not to start any arguments. I do not believe the rotation does not have an effect on the cleaning ability of an ag tire. First the void on an ag tire is very large compared to lug so the mud is really falling of the tire. This is also depended on the type of mud, like clay may stick both in both directions. Second the ag tire is not turing fast enough to throw the mud off. Hope I didn't start anything too big.

Derek

Tractor is almost ready for delivery.

 

[Hawgee]

If you think about the tracks on a doser, they are square to the direction of travel. Max traction for both directions. Look at the old steel tires of yesteryear and you will see why they cant the tread, to prevent side slippage on hills. The trade off is the best foot forward. Chains for snow and ice or deep mud and logging debris. I see the R4's slipping a little more than the R1's on a side hill.

On changing the big ones, I've coppied the logging friends idea of jacking the rig up and down to match the tire on a lubed piece of plywood to slip it off and on. If you are putting on a tire with larger OD, (size or inflation difference) you jack rig up or down to meet lug bolts. Less back strain. /w3tcompact/icons/cool.gif

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