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Well its a long story but here it goes. The main idea was that the loader was crap and the hydraulics were weak. Before i got my 4320 i had a Kioti CK30 with a KL130 FEL. According to Kioti the loader is rated to 1,200lbs of lift capacity. Well a friends house was being built. They had rocks being brought in to build a brick wall. They also had a Deere 2320 with a 200cx FEL. The lift capacity on that was 899lbs. The rocks came on pallets and the truck that dropped them off left them right in front of the house. They said the they needed help moving them and that they didn't want to push their 2320 with no ballast and unloaded tires to hard. According to the company they bought the rocks from the the pallets weighted 1,012lbs. I figured my kioti would lift it no problem with a box blade on the rear. So the day before my dad and i jump in the truck to go borrow a pair of pallet forks from a friend with a kubota B2910. We loaded them up and drove to the people with the rocks house. I was going to move the pallets up a slippery hill (it rained the day before). That scared me a little, but with 4WD engaged the ROPS up and my seatbelt on i would be fine. I unload the tractor hook up the forks and get ready to lift the first pallet out of three. I am running at about 1,700RPM and when i go to curl the forks the tractor stalls. I rev the tractor up fully and try again. The curls and lifts them 3ft off the ground, but you could tell the was alot of strain on the tractor. I start to roll up the wet hill and all **** brakes loose. The pallets uncurled and dropped the load everywhere:mad::mad: I got off the assess the damage and and none of rocks are broken. I was really mad. I asked the folks if i could barrow the 2320 to finish the job. They were all for it after what had happened. I was even more scared on this tractor. I unhooked the forks from the Kioti and but it on the deere, and i also put the box blade on it. It lifted it with no problem. I was shocked :shocked: Why could a tractor the was 7hp less and a loader that rated to almost 300lbs less lift it and mine couldn't. The next day it went to the kioti dealer. It needed new hydralic arms for the loader bucket at less then 300 hours. I was furious :mur: A week later my dad took the tractor to work to lift 1,000 concrete footings off a car trailer. It would even get them off the ground. I thought to myself it was time for a new tractor. Then after selling the kioti a summer and winter of tractor work, i had enough to buy a JD4320. And here i am.

Are you familiar with the physics of how the load rating of a loader applies? Loaders are typically rated at the "pins", and the load capacity of what can be lifted reduces greatly as the load gets further away from the pins. You also have to subtract the weight of the attachment from the lift capacity. Thus, your 1,200 lb. lift capacity was reduced to ~1,000 lbs. or less just from the weight of the fork attachment, and then as the load gets further from the pins this rating also reduces significantly. I'm surprised that the tractor could lift the 1,012 lb. load of rocks at all. This doesn't explain your failed "hydraulic arms" though, or the ability of the JD2320 to lift the rocks.

How did you transfer the forks from the Kubota to the Kioti to the Deere? Were these bucket forks?? These tractors typically don't use interchangable attachments on the loaders.:confused:
 
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Chris are those grab bars on the 9n in that picture from an office chair?:laughing:
I think you're right -- they came with the tractor when he bought it. Haw!
 
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More pics, this time a pair belonging to my FIL -- a non-running Ford 9N "project" and a Zennoh ZL 2402 gray-market import which he acquired by trading a wrist watch for it.

Hope it wasn't a Rolex...
 
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Are you familiar with the physics of how the load rating of a loader applies? Loaders are typically rated at the "pins", and the load capacity of what can be lifted reduces greatly as the load gets further away from the pins. You also have to subtract the weight of the attachment from the lift capacity. Thus, your 1,200 lb. lift capacity was reduced to ~1,000 lbs. or less just from the weight of the fork attachment, and then as the load gets further from the pins this rating also reduces significantly. I'm surprised that the tractor could lift the 1,012 lb. load of rocks at all. This doesn't explain your failed "hydraulic arms" though, or the ability of the JD2320 to lift the rocks.

How did you transfer the forks from the Kubota to the Kioti to the Deere? Were these bucket forks?? These tractors typically don't use interchangable attachments on the loaders.:confused:


I'm sorry i should have mentioned it, they were pin on forks for the bucket. Thats not the only time i have had problems with it. I had a full bucket of fire works once driving from the house to the campsite, and half way there the bucket just dropped all the wood. The 3PH was weak also. Some times it lifting my 800 pound ballast box would bog the motor.
 
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Are you familiar with the physics of how the load rating of a loader applies? Loaders are typically rated at the "pins", and the load capacity of what can be lifted reduces greatly as the load gets further away from the pins. You also have to subtract the weight of the attachment from the lift capacity. Thus, your 1,200 lb. lift capacity was reduced to ~1,000 lbs. or less just from the weight of the fork attachment, and then as the load gets further from the pins this rating also reduces significantly. I'm surprised that the tractor could lift the 1,012 lb. load of rocks at all. This doesn't explain your failed "hydraulic arms" though, or the ability of the JD2320 to lift the rocks.

How did you transfer the forks from the Kubota to the Kioti to the Deere? Were these bucket forks?? These tractors typically don't use interchangable attachments on the loaders.:confused:

I'm not sure I agree with that. I believe Deere rates lifting with the loader on the arms. If you notice the specs. they talk about bucket dump times, etc. Also if you notice they talk about "loaders". From my experience I'd say their specs are underrated. I find the buckets to lift more than the stated amounts, others have voiced this belief also.
While you're correct about the pins being the measuring point, Deere gives the more accurate "500 mm after the pins" data too.

Implements & Accessories - Product Catalog

Rob
 
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I'm not sure I agree with that. I believe Deere rates lifting with the loader on the arms. If you notice the specs. they talk about bucket dump times, etc. Also if you notice they talk about "loaders". From my experience I'd say their specs are underrated. I find the buckets to lift more than the stated amounts, others have voiced this belief also.
While you're correct about the pins being the measuring point, Deere gives the more accurate "500 mm after the pins" data too.

Implements & Accessories - Product Catalog

Rob

That certainly could be. I'm not sure if it's standard to measure with or without the bucket installed? I was just trying to point out the many ways a "load rating" can become significantly reduced, ie using a heavy fork frame instead of the factory bucket. ESPECIALLY since he was actually using bucket forks which put the load WAY out from the loader pins. I'm amazed that the 2320 could lift a 1,000 lb load with bucket forks...Your link says the 2320 can lift (up to 59" from the ground) 758 lbs. 500mm from the pins. 500mm is less than 20 inches, I'm sure the center of mass of a pallet is more than 20 inches from the pins...

But if the loader randomly dumped things there was something clearly wrong with the hydraulic system of the Kioti tractor. The Kioti owners seem to find the loaders to be quite strong, myself included!

Anyway sorry to sidetrack the "tractor pictures" thread!
 
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ESPECIALLY since he was actually using bucket forks which put the load WAY out from the loader pins. I'm amazed that the 2320 could lift a 1,000 lb load with bucket forks...

So am I. My 2720 (same lifting capability as the 2320) was horrible with standard forks. As you state once you get away from the pins loader capability drops drastically. (force = mass x distance)

Rob
 
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My new Kubota B26. Still waiting for the hydraulic thumb to come in.

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My 2003 GX

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