Price Check Uncompetitive PT implement pricing

[PTWannaHave]

Hello all,

While I was reviewing the purchase price of a PT with implements I foresee needing, it occurred to me that the adjustable forks (for a 1430) are not well priced at all... (Unlike many other PT implements.)

A search in the forum confirmed that I'd be better off going to a forklift biz and/or shop around for used gear.

I'm no expert in implements pricing. Does anyone feel that other PT implements are uncompetitively priced? (I thought the snowblower was expensive, but it appears to be inline with the price of CUT snowblowers...)

Thank-you in advance for your thoughts,

 

[J_J]

I am using a 16 in forklift carriage with adapters on the back for my 3pt PT-1445. Here is a picture of it with one fork which use to move trailers.

I got the carriage and forks for about $150.

 

[American Bulldog]

I come from the John Deere side of things, and JD prices are worse. PT has raised prices a lot in the past ten years or so, and I think many of their implements are too high considering the engineering level. The fork prices are absolutely ridiculous.

PT will always be PT. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[SpringHollow]

I certainly felt one could get better forks for less money. Lackender made mine since i was having them make a light material bucket for me. Otherwise, i would have bought a used set of forks and welded a plate onto them. I also like Lackender's mini hoe which gives me 6' of depth which is important up here.

Ken

 

[MossRoad]

Hello all,

While I was reviewing the purchase price of a PT with implements I foresee needing, it occurred to me that the adjustable forks (for a 1430) are not well priced at all... (Unlike many other PT implements.)

A search in the forum confirmed that I'd be better off going to a forklift biz and/or shop around for used gear.

I'm no expert in implements pricing. Does anyone feel that other PT implements are uncompetitively priced? (I thought the snowblower was expensive, but it appears to be inline with the price of CUT snowblowers...)

Thank-you in advance for your thoughts,

Depends on the implement and size of tractor. When we bought our PT425 in 2001, the buckets were a few hundred each, the forks were $250, the mower deck was 1200 and the brush hog under 1000. The ramps for loading the tractor into the pickup were only 100.

I think it has been mentioned that the PT425 was the sweetspot for pricing and the larger machines had pretty expensive implements. It has always been suggested here on TBN that if you are contemplating purchase of one of the larger machines, get enough extra quick attach plates to use 3rd party implements.

 

[American Bulldog]

When we bought our PT425 in 2001, the buckets were a few hundred each

Now $370

the forks were $250

Now $400

the mower deck was 1200

Now $1500 for 60" deck, actually not bad

and the brush hog under 1000

Now $1200, not bad either

The ramps for loading the tractor into the pickup were only 100.

Now $250, holy inflation!!!

 

[MossRoad]

I went back and grabbed my list from my website from 2001.

Price: The last driving factor in my decision to purchase the PT425 was the price. $8000.00 for the tractor with the lift arms and quick attach installed. All of the implements also were very reasonably priced. The small bucket was $300.00. The teeth were $100.00, the 60" mower was $1200.00, the 60" power angle snow blade was $450.00 and the large light material bucket was under $400.00. All told, the entire package was under $13,000.00 delivered. I couldn't touch that price for any of the other units that I looked at.

Today, the tractor is $11,000
Small bucket is $370
Teeth are $150
Large bucket is $450
60" mower is $1500
45" Brush cutter is $1200
60" power angle snow plow with wheels is $800
Arm rests are $150
Quick attach plate is $175
Ramps are $250
Total is now $16045!
Plus trucking!!!

Looks like a 33% increase in price.

Anyone know how much the price of steel has increased over the last 9 years? Just curious.

 

[frischtr]

Steel is somewhere around 175% to 180% of what it was 10 years ago, depending on the type, which can vary quite a bit. The charts don't seem to be entirely consistent, so it's hard to get an accurate measure.

You can also thank the US government for the continued devaluation of the dollar for much of the increased cost of today's goods...

 

[American Bulldog]

Steel is somewhere around 175% to 180% of what it was 10 years ago, depending on the type, which can vary quite a bit. The charts don't seem to be entirely consistent, so it's hard to get an accurate measure.

You can also thank the US government for the continued devaluation of the dollar for much of the increased cost of today's goods...

Big diesel tractors have gone up a lot in the last 10 years, but the small stuff has not. I think that this is more to do with mass production than anything. The lawn/ garden tractors at the Home Depots have not increased at all, and maybe have even gone down a bit. That creates more of the sticker shock on the PT.

The Ventrac 4231 that I have cost about $17,000 for just the tractor. That makes the PT425 look pretty darn good.

 

[PTWannaHave]

Thanks all for the further insight,

 

[frischtr]

Big diesel tractors have gone up a lot in the last 10 years, but the small stuff has not. I think that this is more to do with mass production than anything. The lawn/ garden tractors at the Home Depots have not increased at all, and maybe have even gone down a bit. That creates more of the sticker shock on the PT.

I would contend that much of the reason for flat prices on lawn and garden tractors at Home Depot and Lowes and other places is because of the large decrease in quality over the last 10 years. You used to be able to get good, quality, long lasting machines for those prices. Now, they are throw-away purchases. Of course, consumers drive the market for these types of things. Price seems to be the main concern, too few people demand quality anymore.

 

[BobRip]

I have seen several people who have two tractors because it is difficult to change attachments. By being able to change attachments in a few seconds, I can limit myself to one tractor . Just one man perspective.

 

[tsteahr]

Interesting thread.

I looked through my notes and found the list of a Kubota BX2200 in 2000 was $10486. On the Kubota web site, the current list price of a BX2360 is $10819. Not that much of a price increase in 10 years. If anything the BX2360 is more machine than the BX2200 was.

For years I wanted a PT in the worst way. It seemed the PT was the only machine I would be able to afford. I kept saving my pennies, but the PT kept getting more expensive, always staying out of reach. By the time I was able to get a tractor, the price of the PT had risen to the point where it made more sense to buy a traditional, main stream tractor.

I have always liked PT's. They have features and abilities unlike anything else on the market. But cost is always a factor. To the prospective buyer looking at tractors, a base 425 is now $11000 which is more than a base BX2360. Not to mention the 0% offered by the big guys. Makes the gas PT a tough sell, IMHO.

I hope people don't get upset with my comments. I really like the PT and wanted one for years. I still think they are great machines. They have gotten a little pricey in the past few years though...

 

[BobRip]

Interesting thread.

I looked through my notes and found the list of a Kubota BX2200 in 2000 was $10486. On the Kubota web site, the current list price of a BX2360 is $10819. Not that much of a price increase in 10 years. If anything the BX2360 is more machine than the BX2200 was.

For years I wanted a PT in the worst way. It seemed the PT was the only machine I would be able to afford. I kept saving my pennies, but the PT kept getting more expensive, always staying out of reach. By the time I was able to get a tractor, the price of the PT had risen to the point where it made more sense to buy a traditional, main stream tractor.

I have always liked PT's. They have features and abilities unlike anything else on the market. But cost is always a factor. To the prospective buyer looking at tractors, a base 425 is now $11000 which is more than a base BX2360. Not to mention the 0% offered by the big guys. Makes the gas PT a tough sell, IMHO.

I hope people don't get upset with my comments. I really like the PT and wanted one for years. I still think they are great machines. They have gotten a little pricey in the past few years though...

There are comparable machines like the Toolcat for 2 to 3 times as much as a PT. Also some European machines that are very expensive.

 

[tsteahr]

There are comparable machines like the Toolcat for 2 to 3 times as much as a PT. Also some European machines that are very expensive.

Absolutely true! Although to be fair to the Toolcat people, I'm not sure they would agree a Toolcat is comparable to a PT. Ventrac is a closer comparison for sure.

:thumbsup:

 

[MossRoad]

Interesting thread.

I looked through my notes and found the list of a Kubota BX2200 in 2000 was $10486. On the Kubota web site, the current list price of a BX2360 is $10819. Not that much of a price increase in 10 years. If anything the BX2360 is more machine than the BX2200 was.

For years I wanted a PT in the worst way. It seemed the PT was the only machine I would be able to afford. I kept saving my pennies, but the PT kept getting more expensive, always staying out of reach. By the time I was able to get a tractor, the price of the PT had risen to the point where it made more sense to buy a traditional, main stream tractor.

I have always liked PT's. They have features and abilities unlike anything else on the market. But cost is always a factor. To the prospective buyer looking at tractors, a base 425 is now $11000 which is more than a base BX2360. Not to mention the 0% offered by the big guys. Makes the gas PT a tough sell, IMHO.

I hope people don't get upset with my comments. I really like the PT and wanted one for years. I still think they are great machines. They have gotten a little pricey in the past few years though...

No one will get upset at the truth.

 

[MossRoad]

There is a LOT of steel in a Power Trac. Really thick steel. I think that is most likely the reason for the price increases over the years. However, they are getting to be pretty expensive when you try to compare them to a standard CUT.

They are a unique machine and that is what they have going for them. Supply and demand will dictate the price.

 

[tsteahr]

And they are made in the USA. That counts for a LOT in my book!

 

[American Bulldog]

Interesting thread.

I looked through my notes and found the list of a Kubota BX2200 in 2000 was $10486. On the Kubota web site, the current list price of a BX2360 is $10819. Not that much of a price increase in 10 years. If anything the BX2360 is more machine than the BX2200 was.

For years I wanted a PT in the worst way. It seemed the PT was the only machine I would be able to afford. I kept saving my pennies, but the PT kept getting more expensive, always staying out of reach. By the time I was able to get a tractor, the price of the PT had risen to the point where it made more sense to buy a traditional, main stream tractor.

I have always liked PT's. They have features and abilities unlike anything else on the market. But cost is always a factor. To the prospective buyer looking at tractors, a base 425 is now $11000 which is more than a base BX2360. Not to mention the 0% offered by the big guys. Makes the gas PT a tough sell, IMHO.

I hope people don't get upset with my comments. I really like the PT and wanted one for years. I still think they are great machines. They have gotten a little pricey in the past few years though...

Really interesting post. Not upset al all. It is obviously in all our best interests here that PT survives and can continue to sell machines. Hopefully they read this forum and use the feedback to better steer their company to the needs of the market.

 

[1sttractor2018]

For the most part consumers are idiots! They want the cheapest parts available with no concern about quality. They will pay the mechanic, me, to replace them multiple time costing them way more in the long run.