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thingy said:
You really do know your welding, this is exactly how it works and most folks wouldn't have a clue what you are talking about. Back when I went to college for welding part of the requirements for graduation was to get certified in a number of processes and positions. The two hardest for me were the root pass on pipe and all position gas welding of aircraft frames. Yes, we did weld aluminum Coors cans for fun!
Turbo,thanks for the vote of confidance,,,yeah know a little,,but there is alot I don't know to,,,some processes I ain't had much to do with,,than the newer stuff is sometimes beyond me,,,we can always learn though.
Some people who have never welded their whole live,,see a show on tv or something and say to themselfs,,I can do that,,, but welding ain't like growing flowers,,,you got to know some basics to get started or you'll just spin your tires and get mad and quit,,,,I believe anybody who wants to learn oughta take a class at a votech school or college,to get the basics,,,if they have someone who could show them things that might work to,,,thats why I say to a beginner,,get a stick welder,,,no moving parts,gages,,just hotter or colder,,keep it simple,,its hard enough to learn welding without trying to figure out how to adjust a mig machine and get everything right,,and its easy to blame the machine,,,stick,,well,,if you got just a couple things right,,than the rest is yours. thingy
Some people who have never welded their whole live,,see a show on tv or something and say to themselfs,,I can do that,,, but welding ain't like growing flowers,,,you got to know some basics to get started or you'll just spin your tires and get mad and quit,,,,I believe anybody who wants to learn oughta take a class at a votech school or college,to get the basics,,,if they have someone who could show them things that might work to,,,thats why I say to a beginner,,get a stick welder,,,no moving parts,gages,,just hotter or colder,,keep it simple,,its hard enough to learn welding without trying to figure out how to adjust a mig machine and get everything right,,and its easy to blame the machine,,,stick,,well,,if you got just a couple things right,,than the rest is yours. thingy
montejw
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AlanB said:
In his first post me thinks the top 2, and the bottom pictures are wire.
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Egon
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A site that if you scroll down there may be some drawings that have some of Thingy's terms shown.
Aussie Weld Introduction to Arc Welding - Basic Principles of Welding - Types of Welds
Aussie Weld Introduction to Arc Welding - Basic Principles of Welding - Types of Welds
gemini5362
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Since I was the one that posted the comments about speaking english. I have found it very interesting the posts people have made to describe the terms thingy used and the really educational web sites. I actually made the comment as a joke about thingys vast knowledge of the subject while some of us do not have a clue what he is talking about some times. I am now glad that I made that joke I have learned a lot from the posts explaining things.
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montejw said:
I must first apologize, I wrote GMAW, and that is incorrect, it would be SMAW, (ARC) welding, not sure where my mind wandered off to but it must have wanted a little time alone
Monte, as to saying it is wire welding (which would be GMAW or more commonly called MIG) why do you say that? Or what makes you believe those are wire welds?
I guess the sberry is the one that needs to really answer the question though.
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I agree with everything thats been said. Welding can be very complicated and gets more confusing the more you know. I have a Lincoln Squarewave 175 pro ac/dc stick and tig, Millermatic 250 GMAW wire w/shielding gas, a Miller Bobcat 225 NT welder - generator set w/Miller S-32P wire feeder attachment w/shielding, and a Lincoln Pro-Cut 55 plasma cutter. I use the Miller 250 more than anything unless I need to "field weld". Botton line...it comes down to experience, needs, cost, and time. For a first welder I would put as many $ into it as possible. A ac/dc stick would be a good start. Once you learn to stick weld it makes wire feed a lot of fun and easier to learn.
Good luck in your search.
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Good luck in your search.
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Remind me never to ask a welding question here
I'm from Norway, and being "self educated" at welding myself. Done a lot of construction on implements using an Esab DC 130 A stick welder . As I was reading thru this interesting posting I was wondering about this generator use in connection with welding. Is it because of 110 V ? (We have 220V outlet here) Just curious. I want to learn Mig and Tig someday.
Rolfo
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gemini5362
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thingy said:
Thingy I am glad you did not take offense. I have read several of your posts and I have learned a lot from them. I sometimes dont understand what you are talking about but that is because I am not up on the technical terms. One thing about it when you use those terms I either ask someone at work what you are talking about or I look them up so I am getting an education.
As far as being a hillbilly I am a hillbilly also. I love it when people talk about being from small towns and then say they have several hundred or several thousand people in it. The nearest town to me has 72 people in it.
Gemini,well,you got me beat,,nearest town to me has several hundred,,,how far is the closest wallmart? thats a good way for us hillbillys to judge these things,,about a 45 min drive for me...
You oughta get you a welding technology book,go to the american welding society's web page,,they sell all kinds of books and such,,,they got thin ones and thick ones and even classroom type learning things and videos,,cd's,,you can join and get a free book I think,[costs money either way],,but you seem interested and want to learn more,,check it out,,,thingy
You oughta get you a welding technology book,go to the american welding society's web page,,they sell all kinds of books and such,,,they got thin ones and thick ones and even classroom type learning things and videos,,cd's,,you can join and get a free book I think,[costs money either way],,but you seem interested and want to learn more,,check it out,,,thingy
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thingy said:
Walmart, Thingy I am from arkansas we have had walmarts way before the rest of the country was blessed. The nearest one to me is about 15 minuntes. They finally built a super center and closed the old walmart down last year. I can find a half dozen wal marts in a 45 minute drive. Actually the walmart headquarters is about a 90 min drive. and the Walmart Museum is about an 90 minute drive.
Yeah,forgot where you was from there,,ok,,how far are you from at least two grocery supermarkets,,thats a good sign to,,we got a krogers about 10 miles away in that little town,,but they have no competion,,the next one is 45 min away.
Rolfo,,they was just trying to figure if you can take a plug in type welder,220/230 I guess,and instead of plugging it into house current,plug it into a generator to make it portable. thingy
Rolfo,,they was just trying to figure if you can take a plug in type welder,220/230 I guess,and instead of plugging it into house current,plug it into a generator to make it portable. thingy
Thanks Thingy, didn't read it well.. just browsing thru. I wonder about TIG and possibilities, I know in quality frames (planes, bikes, cars) they use TIG. Can any material be welded by TIG, i.e. steel, stainless steel, aluminium, brass, bronze?
Rolfo
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Yeah,about anything can be tig welded,[if you know how and got the equipment like anything else],I never was a tig welder,messed with it a little here and there.
Its used a lot on putting roots in pipeing,and on stainless in power plants and the like,you can weld some real thin stuff with it too,,makes a very good weld,cause generally what you see is what you got,[with some processes it ain't always so].
See you got a dc welder 130 amp,you can tig weld with it,use electrode negative [-] on steel,or stainless,you'll need argon regulator flow meter,gas hose,a connector block,where your electrode holder can clamp on and gas go to than your tig torch,,tig torch rig,small one,,probably 1/16 dia tungsten would be as big as you would want with your machine,have to scratch start it like a stick rod.
But if you got a dc stick machine you got a tig machine,,welding supply place should be able to set you up with all the little gizmos you'd need,,just tell them you only got a 130 amp machine,so,they'll [hopefully know what size stuff you need],yeah some tig filler wire too,don't know what your duty cycle is on that 130 amps,might wanta check that out some before buying all this stuff,,probably need at least 90 amps with that 1/16 tungsten? thingy
Its used a lot on putting roots in pipeing,and on stainless in power plants and the like,you can weld some real thin stuff with it too,,makes a very good weld,cause generally what you see is what you got,[with some processes it ain't always so].
See you got a dc welder 130 amp,you can tig weld with it,use electrode negative [-] on steel,or stainless,you'll need argon regulator flow meter,gas hose,a connector block,where your electrode holder can clamp on and gas go to than your tig torch,,tig torch rig,small one,,probably 1/16 dia tungsten would be as big as you would want with your machine,have to scratch start it like a stick rod.
But if you got a dc stick machine you got a tig machine,,welding supply place should be able to set you up with all the little gizmos you'd need,,just tell them you only got a 130 amp machine,so,they'll [hopefully know what size stuff you need],yeah some tig filler wire too,don't know what your duty cycle is on that 130 amps,might wanta check that out some before buying all this stuff,,probably need at least 90 amps with that 1/16 tungsten? thingy
AlanB
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The advantage to tig in my shop is that it is extremely easy to change between materials. It is also extremely precise.
You can also do some things like Silicone bronze that is pretty cool.
There are some things (magnesium comes to mind) that you need to be carefull of. When it gets out of the gas shield, life gets exciting quick
I run my 3/32 down around 100 amps or so, I am usually not looking while welding.
Tig is one of those things that you can learn an awful lot by sitting with someone experienced for a bit and talking and watching. If you ever get the chance, a good TIG course can really open your eyes to some possibilities.
Good luck, have fun, learn lots.
You can also do some things like Silicone bronze that is pretty cool.
There are some things (magnesium comes to mind) that you need to be carefull of. When it gets out of the gas shield, life gets exciting quick
I run my 3/32 down around 100 amps or so, I am usually not looking while welding.
Tig is one of those things that you can learn an awful lot by sitting with someone experienced for a bit and talking and watching. If you ever get the chance, a good TIG course can really open your eyes to some possibilities.
Good luck, have fun, learn lots.
