Why is green paint so expensive?

[gemini5362]

I am sorry to hear about the transmission problems your friend had and I dont know about the problems you are talking about with the duramax. As far as I know they dont use duramax engines or allison transmissions in high end yachts so I am probably on safe ground here. I can go to edmunds forums and hear complaints about all of the diesel engines no matter who makes them. Mine has run fine has a lot of power and gets fairly good fuel mileage that makes me happy with it. My experience with the allison transmission has been very good. It works well and my truck goes forwards and backwards when I select the proper gear. I seriously considered buying a motorhome at one time. I spent a couple of years looking at them. It seems like all of the motorhomes that I looked at that were in excess of 150,000 up to the ones that were 500,000.00 ( I did not look at anything higher than that ) All of them had allison transmissions and were proud of that fact. My brother In law who is a stockholder in a concrete pumping company that has millions and millions of dollars invested in concrete pumping trucks talks about the allison transmissions in them. He seems to feel like they are the best transmission you can get in a truck. While I am talking about him the company that he is with puts hundreds of thousands of miles on their company trucks. It is kind of funny that a large company with funds to buy whatever they want buy GM 2500 duramax diesels with allison transmissions. I think that as long as I can point to someone that has the funds to buy whatever they want I will probably be happy with selecting the same thing they do.

 

[gemini5362]

A business that I do business here last fall bought two of them Chevy trucks with the Allison tranny. About 5k miles they each deleveloped a leak. He took both of them into the Chevy dealer he bought them from. After three days of not hearing anything he called the local dealer up and asked what the deal is. After some searching they finally told him that he had to come and get the trucks and deliver them to a place 100 miles away for service. Then when they came back one of the two was leaking more than when it left. All in all one truck was out of his fleet for two weeks and the other one was out almost a month. Personal opinion the selling Chevy dealer should have been responsible for getting them to the proper place. It probably comes down to more of a service issue but to hear two of them leaking oil makes you wonder.


Oh yeah, one other thing, when or if Ford closes it's plants like it is in some areas you can't complain like they are up in St Paul. I am sure a lot of the ones complaining were driving something other than Ford. Just my opinion.

murph

I would have had the dealer taking the truck on a car hauler if they needed to be moved somewhere else. Actually the best service in a car dealership I have had is from the Porsche folks. I bought my new boxster with navigation system and the maps were very incomplete in my opinion. I pitched a fit and porsche got into the act. They came up with new software for the nav system that had to be installed by porsche. I made an apointment for a service call to do that. The nearest porsche dealer is 125 each way from my house. When I got there and they started to do the install they found out that they had been sent the wrong software and could not do the install. I made a comment about the drive and was told that when the new software came in they would send a truck for my car they would pick it up and bring it back to the shop, install the software and have a truck bring it back to my house. Now that is service.

 

[Dargo]

My brother In law who is a stockholder in a concrete pumping company that has millions and millions of dollars invested in concrete pumping trucks talks about the allison transmissions in them. He seems to feel like they are the best transmission you can get in a truck.

And you think that is the same transmission used in the pickups??!! ROFL

If you want to see what pickup diesel engines and transmissions are abused the most and hold up the best, just go to any truck pull or diesel drag race. There will be one particular engine that will be tops in nearly every single class. And, yes, their transmissions are modified heavily. But, try putting 800 hp and a couple thousand ft. lbs. of torque to a stock pickup version of the Allison transmission and see what happens. My family is all Chevy all the way, but even my dad who won't even look ad a Fo.. or Do... even sees what is dominant in the light duty diesel class. We are a bit off green paint, but some of the stuff you come up with is from so far out in right field that it's hard to not notice.

 

[Turbys_1700]

And you think that is the same transmission used in the pickups??!! ROFL

If you want to see what pickup diesel engines and transmissions are abused the most and hold up the best, just go to any truck pull or diesel drag race. There will be one particular engine that will be tops in nearly every single class. And, yes, their transmissions are modified heavily. But, try putting 800 hp and a couple thousand ft. lbs. of torque to a stock pickup version of the Allison transmission and see what happens. My family is all Chevy all the way, but even my dad who won't even look ad a Fo.. or Do... even sees what is dominant in the light duty diesel class. We are a bit off green paint, but some of the stuff you come up with is from so far out in right field that it's hard to not notice.

I get a kick outta people who buy the Chevy and Dodge 3/4 and 1 ton trucks and brag about the Allison's and Cumming's as if it is the same transmission and engine as heavy duty trucks. NOT!!! My dad's American Eagle is Allison equiped tied to a 350HP 8.3L Cummings. Not the same unit as the Dodge 5.9 and 1000 Allison in the Duramax. I'm not raggin on the Dodge and Duramax. They are good trucks but I prefer Fords. BTW I drive Cadillac cars. And my motorcycle is a Harley.

I have noticed almost as many Gold Wing owners as snobish about their bikes a Harley owners. It's irrelevant to me. I've been riding since I was 6 years old and owned 8 bikes prior to my current ride. I feel the same about tractors also. I will say that my Caddie has been a good car so far but I've replaced some items that have worn out at 190K miles but nothing major. I may buy a Toyota next time. Don't know how to compare them until I've owned both.

 

[NDAWIND]

And you think that is the same transmission used in the pickups??!! ROFL

If you want to see what pickup diesel engines and transmissions are abused the most and hold up the best, just go to any truck pull or diesel drag race. There will be one particular engine that will be tops in nearly every single class. And, yes, their transmissions are modified heavily. But, try putting 800 hp and a couple thousand ft. lbs. of torque to a stock pickup version of the Allison transmission and see what happens. My family is all Chevy all the way, but even my dad who won't even look ad a Fo.. or Do... even sees what is dominant in the light duty diesel class. We are a bit off green paint, but some of the stuff you come up with is from so far out in right field that it's hard to not notice.

Yeah the only thing those transmissions have in common is the name.

 

[Dargo]

I get a kick outta people who buy the Chevy and Dodge 3/4 and 1 ton trucks and brag about the Allison's and Cumming's as if it is the same transmission and engine as heavy duty trucks. NOT!!! My dad's American Eagle is Allison equiped tied to a 350HP 8.3L Cummings. Not the same unit as the Dodge 5.9 and 1000 Allison in the Duramax.

Very true. I also prefer Ford pickups. However, in the diesel pickup truck drags and pulls, the Cummins 5.9 engine completely dominates every event. I have to assume it has something to do with the inline design; I don't know. All I know is the results. However, no, a 5.9 is not an 8.3 Cummins. But I do have well over 400 hp and over 1000 ft. lbs. of torque at the rear wheels. The transmission (automatic) to handle that power cost me over $6000. Ouch! It is the ATS "KIT-47RE9602-ASSEMBLY-5-4WD" if you want to look it up. However, even my dad, Mr. Bowtie man himself, admits that the Isuzu and PowerStroke engines in pickups pretty well scatter their blocks around the 1000 ft. lb. of torque mark. Some have designed and use a block girdle, but not with much success. The bottom line is, yes, I am likely putting out more hp than the 8.3 you are talking about and similar torque, but I do have to watch my EGT's when towing a 9 ton load out the interstate into the wind and up a long 7% grade. I could literally melt things where the 8.3 would not be taxed at all. I am surprised to see that many large motorcoaches do use the 5.9 Cummins as do several fishing boats I've been on. You wanna talk about a company getting their money's worth out of one particular engine!

 

[kenmac]

No, it's the 3 cylinder/ 30 hp. 2000 JD 790 and surging develops with the slightest lug in confining spaces, which is annoying. Time permitting, I may mess with some adjustments on it?? The dealer said it is normal?

I have 3110 yanmar that has (I think) this same engine. I have no problems with it surging. It runs very smooooooth

 

[gemini5362]

And you think that is the same transmission used in the pickups??!! ROFL

If you want to see what pickup diesel engines and transmissions are abused the most and hold up the best, just go to any truck pull or diesel drag race. There will be one particular engine that will be tops in nearly every single class. And, yes, their transmissions are modified heavily. But, try putting 800 hp and a couple thousand ft. lbs. of torque to a stock pickup version of the Allison transmission and see what happens. My family is all Chevy all the way, but even my dad who won't even look ad a Fo.. or Do... even sees what is dominant in the light duty diesel class. We are a bit off green paint, but some of the stuff you come up with is from so far out in right field that it's hard to not notice.

obvioiusly dargo when I type out a response i need to consider that you might read it and are not capable of cognizant thought. The idea is that someone that makes heavy duty transmissions that are so widely used probably has the engineering skills to make good lighter duty transmissions. Also if you read the rest of my post before jumping on the bandwagon about me assuming they are the same transmission you will notice that I went on to mention that the same people that have the concrete pumping company also buy the gm truck with the allison transmission for all their service vehicles. even though they could pick what brand they wanted.

 

[whitetiger]

From the service standpoint, I've been singularly unimpressed with the Isuzu diesel with Allison's diminutive transmission. A good friend of mine owns two GM dealerships. He told me that I ought to hold off on buying one for a bit in his opinion. He's not real sure how long GM will buy their diesel engines from Isuzu. Let's face it, how many Isuzu vehicles do you see cruising down the road? And, I'm not talking about the few medium duty Isuzu trucks; their engines are not close to what's in the light duty pickups.

The 6.6 Duramax engine is owned and manufactured by GM in Morain,Ohio.
It is not purchased from Isuzu. Also Isuzu is a far larger engine manufacture than Cummins or International by a pretty good margin.

 

[gemini5362]

Actually folks my comments about the trucks were a joke. A couple of people seem to have gotten the joke others seem to have not gotten it and have gone to personal attacks. Personally I dont care what people buy if they buy fords and like them that is great. I happen to think that ford makes a better looking truck than gm. I know people that have had dodge diesels for a long time. What is funny about the cummins engine is that shortly after they started putting them in Dodge trucks ford bought cummins and then found out that they had to continue to supply them to dodge because of the contract. I dont know if ford still owns cummins or not I have not investigated it. For the person that made comments about how great fords are check out this website. The Center for Auto Safety you have made me glad I did not buy a ford truck when I first started looking at them. As far as brands go I like my montana it does a great job for what I want it for and the price was reasonable. I had a 2005 duramax diesel truck that I really liked but in 2006 they came out with a 6 speed allison. I did not really want to trade trucks because of the beating i would take on mine as a trade in after a year. GM offered me 0 per cent financing and I decided to use their money for a while. I believe my duramax has 360 horse power and something like 620 foot pounds of torque. That does everything I need it to. For the people that like John deere tractors they have been around a long time. For My own use the difference in price between what I would have had to pay for one of them and the montana was not worth it to me. To someone else it might be and I am sure they would be happy with the JD.