YANMAR front right hub/ wheel wont turn? 2210BD. Looking for some advise?

[RUMBLON]

Well I saw no way to tobaggan it back to my shop as I had no idea on how to steer ir in my terrain. That said I used my car hauler and loaded it.

In doing so I realized that the hub/ wheel would turn maybe a half turn, then lock up. I could life the front get past that point and then try and get another half turn out of it. I used the bucket as it skidded real easy on my metal trailer deck. Now I have to get it off and get under it. Hoye says it sounds like something broke in the hub its self. That sounds cheaper than the 4x4 parts.

Dave

 

[grainger12002]

you can probably seperate the hub from the axle tube enough to see if it moves freely by itself, then see where you have to look to determine the cause and repair

 

[grainger12002]

remove tire from the stuck side, remove bolts to tube from knuckle and separate just enough to disengage the front axle...or disengage 4wd as scotty stated to see if it helps...if not remove the hub\knuckle

 

[clemsonfor]

OK i am late here but i agree i think a gear has broken and wedged into the gears in the hub. The diff is too full. The picture of the rusty hole is for something to screw into not a plug. The plug on the bottom of the hub is to allow that last few ounces to drain out of the hub, but it is open to the differntial so the fluid flows and mixes there when you fill the Diff.

Your problem sounds like it came from "leaving it in 4wd" as it probably put lots of strain on the parts and maybe you got in a bind on hard ground...maybe some pavement when you had a full loader bucket of dirt. I personallly would only be in 4wd when you absolutly need it. Driving anything 4wd on pavement puts lots of strain on the drive train esp when turning.

Tear that hub down its your only shot. It should not be that hard.

 

[winston1]

On my 2020 the lever when moved forward is in 4wd. And back is not in 4wd

I believe the 2210 is the same.

 

[RUMBLON]

Ok, so here is where I am at. The tractor is in the shop( THANK GOD) I removed the hub (four botls) and dropped it. The gear inside looks ok and it turn fine as there is no pressure on it. However when rotating it, there is a slight sound thats different on one point of the rotation and its the same each time. I dont want to say grinding sound as it rotates easily but its definitely different and you can feel the difference ever so slightly. Im just wondering if that gets worse under pressure.



Dave

 

[clemsonfor]

you have broken gear or bits lodging between them from your description. if its just one side i would bet its in the hub as they said

 

[winston1]

Winston the numbers you are giving me are not jiving with the on line manual I have to try and match them up. I think I know which one is the 4x4 lever as its really the only one left. is push in or out engaged?

RUMBLON

Sorry about that, I am looking at a paper copy of a 2210BD and you are looking at a 2210D.

 

[winston1]

What do the lower gears look like? #1 and #53 in this nice Hoyes drawing. Yanmar Tractor Parts: 4WD INTERNAL

Any slack in the bearings?

 

[clemsonfor]

bearings maybe? or its in the differential?

 

[RUMBLON]

What do the lower gears look like? #1 and #53 in this nice Hoyes drawing. Yanmar Tractor Parts: 4WD INTERNAL

Any slack in the bearings?

Im going back in, I guess I have to take this pig apart to get to those gears. I just updated the pics and am heading back out.

Thanks Dave

 

[RUMBLON]

I can't get it separated. Now that its disconnected from the tie rod, I can spin the hub pretty easily, no friction. When looking inside, you can see this? It looks like a metal holding ring that screws on to keep the gear in place. However it looks damaged? or is this how they keep them from rotating off, with a folder down side?

I removed the six bolts that attach the "final gear case" (as they call it) to the housing. I cant get it off however. I have banged on it trying to get them to separate but no luck.

If it spins freely so I dont know if its in the final gear case or the BEVELED GEAR above it somewhere. I hate to dig into the other stuff until I can make sure its not this final gear case/ hub im working on.

In any case, here are some updated pics. My other issue is that Im long on tools for american stuff and short on metric. UGH.

RUMBLON

FINAL GEAR INTERIOR

 

[RUMBLON]

 

[RUMBLON]

Ok, so here is the gear out of the housing. Hoye says the retaining ring looks that way because they use a chisel to set it. So that means my issue may be further in --UGH.

FINAL GEAR HOUSING AND GEAR

 

[RUMBLON]

This metal ring I have sitting offset here to see it, was sitting in here when I opened it up. I am guessing on the shaft and slid down into the final gear case upon disassembly. it in

It obviously goes into the gear shaft as I have it in pic 3.

And then just the metal o ring that sits atop the rubber seal.

 

[RUMBLON]

So at this point im at a loss. I don't see anything in the hub that looks real bad. Aaron from the tech support at Hoye says he believes it was in the hub because of how I described the wheel wanted to snap from side to side and locked up as thats indicative of it not being further in. There were some very small particles of something hard in the bottom of the case,but they were very small and in the thicker muck that I CLEANED OUT. I dont see any issue with the gear above either the one in the beveled case.

I can spin this hub freely now that its clean and it will spin nicely.

Dave

 

[RUMBLON]

What do the lower gears look like? #1 and #53 in this nice Hoyes drawing. Yanmar Tractor Parts: 4WD INTERNAL

Any slack in the bearings?

Winston, #1 is the big gear in the hub, its the one picture throughout my pics. This is #53 and I CAN only see the bottom unless I take ore apart. But the bottom looks fine.

#1 gear




#53. from the bottom

 

[5030]

First thing you really need to do is drain all that water logged crud outta there and clean everything up and do the same with the transmission and rear differential. Amazing what mechanical stuff will withstand...

In as much as I don't own a little Yanmar I'm not sure what broke but, by the looks of the retainer ring, it appears some shadetree mechanic has already visited that spot.

Good luck and NEVER RUN IN 4WD UNLESS THE FRONT END LOOSES TRACTION,,,,,,,,,,,,,NEVER. Not only is it extremely hard on the driveline, it eats tires up right away. The guy at the stealership (not misspelled), out to be hung up by his balls. he's an idiot for telling you that.

It only rakes a tiny sliver of metal in the gears to lock the gears up.

 

[winston1]

With the front end jacket up and turning the unmolested wheel what do you hear or feel?

you had mentioned and taken a picture of the knuckle in post #1 indicating the crack was wider on one side of the knuckle. That is not suppose to be. In order for that to happen there has to be a loose bearing, worn shaft or something in that knuckle assembly in order for it to do that. You have probably said and I missed it but where are you located?

 

[RUMBLON]

With the front end jacket up and turning the unmolested wheel what do you hear or feel?

you had mentioned and taken a picture of the knuckle in post #1 indicating the crack was wider on one side of the knuckle. That is not suppose to be. In order for that to happen there has to be a loose bearing, worn shaft or something in that knuckle assembly in order for it to do that. You have probably said and I missed it but where are you located?

Winston Im in Idaho, an hour plus north of Boise. A recent escapee of Northern Nevada.

Ok you asking how the remaining wheel feels now that its in the air? And yes it did seem when I initially looked at it that one gap was wider than the other on the hub from side to side but that seemed slight and changed after I leveled the tractor.
Aaron from Hoye said some times small pieces will get caught between the gears and when you take it apart it clears them. So Im debating putting it back together and refilling it and seeing if its fixed or do you think I should take the beveled upper apart and see what up inside that first. Then the poster above 5030 mentioned that one of my parts looks like its the wrong part or something so maybe I should figure that out and order it after I figure out the rest.

I just went out and checked the GOOD WHEEL/ HUB. In 2x4 it spins freely. In 2x4 in neutral it will not spin.
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