Zip ties on new Kubotas?! )0:

[daugen]

Here is another one

T.I. - Rubber Band Man (HD / Dirty) - YouTube

Geez, I just couldn't do it. I tried. I got half way through and my neck hurt from shaking my head...
I'm also glad I could only understand every third word.
This is not a video about finding your moral compass....ahem.

 

[PhysAssist]

[/QUOTE] Read more: The Spinners - The Rubberband Man Lyrics | MetroLyrics[/QUOTE]

Hi Daugen,

We must have been typing at the same time, but I started to enter the lyrics (as much as I remembered) from memory, and decided it was too much work, and I hate doing cut and paste on my Galaxy Tab, so I bagged it.

Even though yours wasn't from memory, nice work!

Thomas

 

[daugen]

thanks Thomas.
I'm sure the Rubberband Man would have taken a dim view of zip ties, he needs a lot more flexibility...

 

[Scooby074]

Rubberband Man.... What about Particle Man?

 

[TomSeller]

Quote Originally Posted by TomSeller
If you like this thread, wait until you see the "rubber band around my owner's manual broke" thread.

Yo TomSeller, we're still waiting for that link. I think we can get a lively discussion going about rubber bands next...
and their proper place in the agriculture industry of course...

I checked the rubber band and it is still holding up so the thread have to wait. If the rubber band breaks and my dog or one of my cows eats it, the final outcome of the broken rubber band could make for an entertaining thread.

 

[daugen]

Now Scooby, I was reaching for the hook button when the video ended.
that was seriously weird.
Did I miss something in my childhood or was the director on acid?
And somehow, clearly by the greatest stretch of your imagination, you are going to have to
link Particle man to a Kubota or a zip tie. You have five minutes. :dance1:

 

[Scooby074]

Now Scooby, I was reaching for the hook button when the video ended.
that was seriously weird.
Did I miss something in my childhood or was the director on acid?
And somehow, clearly by the greatest stretch of your imagination, you are going to have to
link Particle man to a Kubota or a zip tie. You have five minutes. :dance1:

Well ... hmm.. a link between zip ties and Tiny Toons... thats a stretch Rubberband man to Particle man.. I think I can handle. They both have man in the name

Oh, and Tiny Toons rule!

 

[SGM97B]

I have no issue with zip ties. They are an affordable and effective means of holding wires together. They are easy to cut, so that I can do work under the hood, and then replace to hold everything where it is supposed to be.

Was at my local Kubota dealer today scouting out a new mower. Looked at the BX and ZD machines.

While checking out the machines I noticed lots of white zipties holding various stuff in position. They aren't even cut cut short and some not cut at all! Can't believe it. Looks cheap to use white zipties from Walmart on a $15,000 new piece of equipment! At least they could use black ones. They should not use either.

Heres a pic.


View attachment 335681

 

[dragoneggs]

To OP PapaPerk: you created a monster with this post.... well done. Actually loving it as I am involved with 'cable ties' and related hardware as part of my job. I am enjoying the variety of comments and opinions. Zip ties as many call them have evolved and there are many types (some not so known to the average dude) including high tech polymers, hybrid materials, etc. Somehow I think this thread might take awhile to die. :dance1:

 

[daugen]

so this means we should ask for weather resistant 6.6 nylon?

Dragoneggs: I asked this before and didn't get a response. Likely you are the man here based upon
your job. So that once in a while we get something helpful in this creative thread, could you suggest what to look for, any minimal spec that we can all agree to for outside use of plastic cable ties? The podium is yours.

 

[MHarryE]

http://www.panduit.com/wcs/Satellit...tion_id=63&locale=en_us&pagename=PG_Wrapper#1

Here is a link to Panduit cable ties. Panduit is one of the premier makers of ties. I selected this particular page because it lists properties. Note that Nylon 6.6 does not mean it is weather resistant. Note also that all weather resistant ties are black. Just being black, however, does not mean the tie is weather resistant.

 

[3930dave]

Sticking with Panduit or a T&B product, you can find quality UV stable ties.

ex. of T&B

http://www-public.tnb.com/ps/endeca/index.cgi?a=nav&N=960+2649&Ntt=TY-Rap

You pay more for these, but you get what you pay for. "UV Black" is usually the term I look for, from non-Asian sources.

Cheap cable ties have their appropriate uses - if you just need to lace something up on a parade float to last 2 days, you don't need a MIL spec Panduit/T&B product for that use. Nothing wrong with saving money there.

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

These T&B are polypropelene (sp?), and are listed as UV resistant. Lower Max. Temperature than the first link, and no UL flammability rating - you are going to pay more for both features.

Should be a lower cost UV tolerant option.....

http://www-public.tnb.com/ps/endeca/index.cgi?a=nav&N=313+960+2074&Ntt=

Rgds, D.

 

[dragoneggs]

so this means we should ask for weather resistant 6.6 nylon?

Dragoneggs: I asked this before and didn't get a response. Likely you are the man here based upon
your job. So that once in a while we get something helpful in this creative thread, could you suggest what to look for, any minimal spec that we can all agree to for outside use of plastic cable ties? The podium is yours.

Ha ha, okay you hooked me... Daugen, you ask for a 'minimal spec' and I will throw out UL 62275 but before you jump on that and find yourself quickly down in the weeds wondering what the **** you are doing looking up this spec I offer this:

First of all, I try not to mix business with pleasure and tractoring is really just a hobby for me (landscaping/maintenance on my property). And I am very recent to being a proud Kubota owner but I should add that I do not rely on my ride (as many on TBN do) for a living. Cable ties have their place as many have suggested but they are not meant for securing everything... hose clamps, spiral wrap, P clamps, and more, all have their ideal functions too of course. Funny thing here... I didn't even practice what I would preach with cable ties as I recently removed all of the factory white ties with orange ties just because they look cool and my BX seemed to be calling for them :laughing: FYI... typically orange color ties are used in aviation only as temporary ties securing flight test or other wiring meant to be removed before putting in service as they don't possess properties (just as the white ones don't) for long term use depending on operating conditions.

Improved Nylon ties... such as heat stabilized will hold up better in slightly higher temp environments, and UV resistant in sunlight conditions but these will also break down over time. People think Black means UV or heat stabilized. The color guarantees nothing. More on that in a bit.

Harsh environments, such as temperatures above 180degF, strong UV radiation, exposure to chemicals such as fuel, truly demand plastics other than Nylon of any kind. The most common of these polymers are PEEK and TEFZEL. But that said, there is no one plastic that is ideal for all conditions. Take PEEK (Polyetheretherketone) for example. Wonderful plastic exhibiting high strength and ideal for high temperature environments and has high resistance to chemicals and has high lubricity. Downside is that it has lousy resistance to UV. TEFZEL or ETFE (ethylenetetrafluoroethylene) is used in high radiation environments... think space, satellites, etc.

I could go on and on about ties with its serrations/ratching on the topside vs. the inside (against the wiring) to reduce abrasion, or special buckles at right angles to prevent pinching, etc...

But... I suppose most folks here are not willing to spend a buck or more for one plastic cable tie... so that brings us back to the common Nylon ties. Unfortunately the stuff on the shelf at your local store is limited and it is difficult to even be sure what grade of Nylon you are buying... unless you buy a name brand. There are many junk molders out there with poor process control, that advertise UV grade or heat stabilized but who knows... especially if made overseas. Molding thermoplastics is not a simple act. If you want quality and the assurance that the Nylon ties indeed have the UV resistance and or heat stabilizing fillers, then look at brands such as HellermannTyton or Thomas & Betts... probably should list Panduit as well. Also look for a UL listing... Underwriter Laboratories are pretty dang good about policing their trademark usage. You might pay around 50cents a piece for these name brands though and the reality is... drum roll.... the cheap Chinese ties are probably more than sufficient for our orange machines. I have yet to hear anyone complain about failing ties in this thread (apologies if I missed it), just long tails! I do have to say that I was more disappointed in the shoddy workmanship (lack of proper trimming) than I was about the use of 2 cent ties. Honestly, how many of us would be willing to spend $25 or more on the purchase price of our tractor if there was an optional upgrade to Black UV ties???

 

[3930dave]

Thanks for the glimpse into the Material Science behind these dragoneggs. Always more to learn.... I hadn't seen the RadHard ones before.

$25 adder to a new tractor ?

Betcha Duck Dynasty could get at least $50 out of a new tractor buyer for their Duck (tm) camo version cable ties !

Just having some fun here..... this topic is a good example of the engineering detail that goes into what at first seems like a simple item.

HEY, I almost forgot ! Where are the Pics of your orange zip tie Blinged out machine - we gots to see Pics !

:thumbsup:

Rgds, D.

 

[PapaPerk]

To OP PapaPerk: you created a monster with this post.... well done. Actually loving it as I am involved with 'cable ties' and related hardware as part of my job. I am enjoying the variety of comments and opinions. Zip ties as many call them have evolved and there are many types (some not so known to the average dude) including high tech polymers, hybrid materials, etc. Somehow I think this thread might take awhile to die. :dance1:

Thank you sir. I try! Lol

 

[dragoneggs]

Thanks for the glimpse into the Material Science behind these dragoneggs. Always more to learn.... I hadn't seen the RadHard ones before.

$25 adder to a new tractor ?

Betcha Duck Dynasty could get at least $50 out of a new tractor buyer for their Duck (tm) camo version cable ties !

Just having some fun here..... this topic is a good example of the engineering detail that goes into what at first seems like a simple item.

HEY, I almost forgot ! Where are the Pics of your orange zip tie Blinged out machine - we gots to see Pics !

:thumbsup:

Rgds, D.

Yeah just saying that if you chose every little upgrade they could conceivably offer like special decals, brighter lights, two tone paint, paint chip protector, cooler, bla, bla, bla, your tractor would be 'cooler' but how much more effective for say 25% increase in base price.

I think alot of people take for granted the amount of thought and engineering when it comes to putting a quality product on the market. It would be easier if price wasn't an issue but it ones needs to find the sweet spot between design, durability, features and how much someone is willing to pay.

Yeah I should post a few pics but I am half way around the world in Singapore on business at the moment so I will try to remember when I return to snap a few and post.

 

[Scooby074]

Ha ha, okay you hooked me... Daugen, you ask for a 'minimal spec' and I will throw out UL 62275 but before you jump on that and find yourself quickly down in the weeds wondering what the **** you are doing looking up this spec I offer this:

Fist of all, I try not to mix business with pleasure and tractoring is really just a hobby for me (landscaping/maintenance on my property). And I am very recent to being a proud Kubota owner but I should add that I do not rely on my ride (as many on TBN do) for a living. Cable ties have their place as many have suggested but they are not meant for securing everything... hose clamps, spiral wrap, P clamps, and more, all have their ideal functions too of course. Funny thing here... I didn't even practice what I would preach with cable ties as I recently removed all of the factory white ties with orange ties just because they look cool and my BX seemed to be calling for them :laughing: FYI... typically orange color ties are used in aviation only as temporary ties securing flight test or other wiring meant to be removed before putting in service as they don't possess properties (just as the white ones don't) for long term use depending on operating conditions.

Improved Nylon ties... such as heat stabilized will hold up better in slightly higher temp environments, and UV resistant in sunlight conditions but these will also break down over time. People think Black means UV or heat stabilized. The color guarantees nothing. More on that in a bit.

Harsh environments, such as temperatures above 180degF, strong UV radiation, exposure to chemicals such as fuel, truly demand plastics other than Nylon of any kind. The most common of these polymers are PEEK and TEFZEL. But that said, there is no one plastic that is ideal for all conditions. Take PEEK (Polyetheretherketone) for example. Wonderful plastic exhibiting high strength and ideal for high temperature environments and has high resistance to chemicals and has high lubricity. Downside is that it has lousy resistance to UV. TEFZEL or ETFE (ethylenetetrafluoroethylene) is used in high radiation environments... think space, satellites, etc.

I could go on and on about ties with its serrations/ratching on the topside vs. the inside (against the wiring) to reduce abrasion, or special buckles at right angles to prevent pinching, etc...

But... I suppose most folks here are not willing to spend a buck or more for one plastic cable tie... so that brings us back to the common Nylon ties. Unfortunately the stuff on the shelf at your local store is limited and it is difficult to even be sure what grade of Nylon you are buying... unless you buy a name brand. There are many junk molders out there with poor process control, that advertise UV grade or heat stabilized but who knows... especially if made overseas. Molding thermoplastics is not a simple act. If you want quality and the assurance that the Nylon ties indeed have the UV resistance and or heat stabilizing fillers, then look at brands such as HellermannTyton or Thomas & Betts... probably should list Panduit as well. Also look for a UL listing... Underwriter Laboratories are pretty dang good about policing their trademark usage. You might pay around 50cents a piece for these name brands though and the reality is... drum roll.... the cheap Chinese ties are probably more than sufficient for our orange machines. I have yet to hear anyone complain about failing ties in this thread (apologies if I missed it), just long tails! I do have to say that I was more disappointed in the shoddy workmanship (lack of proper trimming) than I was about the use of 2 cent ties. Honestly, how many of us would be willing to spend $25 or more on the purchase price of our tractor if there was an optional upgrade to Black UV ties???

Informative post.

UL62275 should go a long way towards rating cable ties and using the right one for the specific situation.

 

[4shorts]

so this means we should ask for weather resistant 6.6 nylon?

Dragoneggs: I asked this before and didn't get a response. Likely you are the man here based upon
your job. So that once in a while we get something helpful in this creative thread, could you suggest what to look for, any minimal spec that we can all agree to for outside use of plastic cable ties? The podium is yours.

Sorry I haven't been following this thread much due to the work in my shop but if I may let me put something in perspective here and I hope Mr. Dragoneggs don't mind me saying this.

When it comes to fasteners and the uses of them, their quality, their strength and the unique places on this earth and even beyond earth talking to Mr. Dragoneggs is THE best possible person to ask. I know of no other person that comes close to his knowledge of the subject or his products for that matter.

 

[mark kram]

I use zip ties to build pens out of cattle panels quickly, put up hog pens quickly, and string barbed wire fast. A good solid 250 sq. ft. pen can be put up in 2 hours. I use a tool that puts 75 ft. lbs. on the tie and cuts it off square at the locking block. The tool costs a whole $8.00. The thing is any company that doesn't use these tools is pretty cheap and it makes me wonder what they made cheap that I can't see.