Buying Advice How can you evaluate a 4310 without seeing it in person?

[mlg]

Would all of the above discussion about the 4310 be applicable as well to a 4410 as far as reliability and number of hours?

 

[foggy1111]

Mig......I believe that the only real difference between these models was a few HP....sorta like the 3120, 3320, 3520, 3720 - its all about an increase in HP.

You can check out these models on Tractorhouse.com or specs via google. I beielve this series of tractors was pretty much the fore-runners to the 20 series above listed.

 

[kennyd]

Mig......I believe that the only real difference between these models was a few HP....sorta like the 3120, 3320, 3520, 3720 - its all about an increase in HP.

You can check out these models on Tractorhouse.com or specs via google. I beielve this series of tractors was pretty much the fore-runners to the 20 series above listed.

100% Correct.

 

[JD755]

Would all of the above discussion about the 4310 be applicable as well to a 4410 as far as reliability and number of hours?

In the 42/43/4410 lineup the only one with a difference other than horsepower is the 4210. It had lower hydraulic capacity and pressure for a lower 3PH rating. The wheelbase is also three inches shorter. But for your question, yes, only 4310 to 4410 difference is horsepower.

 

[dfkrug]

I was hoping to be able to get video clips to at least be able to listen to the engine/transmission but that request hasn't gone over well with sellers.

I think it is reasonable to make this request, and more and more sellers
(dealers and owners) are making videos and sending them or posting them
on YouTube. It has gotten much easier to do.

You may also consider paying someone nearby to go and look at/video
the tractor in motion. I paid a service $100 for an inspection on a
car last year....they emailed pix within an hour of the inspection. I know
that was for a car, but maybe a tractor dealer in that area will do it
for you?

Finally, that seems kind of high in this current depressed market. With some
of the incentives, you may be able to land a NEW Bobcat CT230 for $15K.

Note that if you drive all the way to that dealer, you will not have much
leverage if you decide to offer less than the seller is asking.

 

[mlg]

Thanks for the replies. My question was aimed more towards the reliabilities of the models. If the 4410 has had more service issues than the 4310, etc. Also, does there seem to be any difference in the reliabilities between the 2002 and 2004 years of manufacture?

Maybe someone will buy that 4310 for that price but it won't be me.

 

[RoyJackson]

Would all of the above discussion about the 4310 be applicable as well to a 4410 as far as reliability and number of hours?

Yep...same tractor for all intents and purposes (except for the engine).

 

[RoyJackson]

Anyways he said that the "best he could do" on price was 15,900. Which I think is quite inflated for what the machine is.

You cannot do this kind of negotiation over the phone or by e-mail. You need to be face to face with 14.5 grand in your pocket to make that deal.
Put it this way...to that dealer, you're a "tire kicker"...couple of phone calls or e-mails...but he hasn't seen any green being offered.
When I made my deal for that 790 (about 400 miles from me), the deal was basically done within three days (however, that was a very low hour machine).

If you're serious about that tractor, head down to PA and give it a good looksee and test run.

At this point, you need to crap, or get off the pot...

 

[SandyTX]

I picked up my JD 4300 2001 model(430 loader, canopy, R4 tires, and JD 5ft finish mower) from a private seller back in January of this year for $9300. It does have a lower broken upper 3pt mount (which I've yet to fix [around $450 for the part]) but it works great so far for my needs. Also had the thermistor go out ($4).

430 loader works great for moving dirt and lifting heavy implements off of the trailers. I've put about 30 hours on it so far this year. I could not be happier.
Mine will run all day on a tank of fuel. After about 6 hours of shredding (540rpm) it still has about 1/2 tank.

Good luck with your purchase; great little tractors.

 

[foggy1111]

I have bought quite a few things over the phone...and got treated very fair on most of 'em.......including the 3320 I now have. These dealers do lots of deals by phone and internet these days Roy.....your just old fashioned.

However.....I think its lots easier to buy new stuff via the phone as its all about specs and price at that point. When it comes to trades or used stuff....I agree that dealing in person may be best solution....but the dealer has to be in the ball park to want to do the travel. I'm not too sure his price is too hot....at least not in my market place.

 

[RoyJackson]

Roy.....your just old fashioned.

However.....I think its lots easier to buy new stuff via the phone as its all about specs and price at that point. When it comes to trades or used stuff....I agree that dealing in person may be best solution....but the dealer has to be in the ball park to want to do the travel. I'm not too sure his price is too hot....at least not in my market place.

You comparing me to Egon????
Heck, I met my wife on the internet (15 years ago).

Some dealers do a lot of internet business (James Rivers, place I bought the 790 from, did...other then a couple short calls, that whole deal was internet). But some dealers don't...just not up to speed with web sales yet (that pretty much describes the place I bought the 4400). I've dealt with 2 southern PA dealers...neither were too enthused about web sales and such...

 

[foggy1111]

Many of the dealers (around my part of the world) have an internet sales rep these days....just like the car dealers. The dealer I bought my 20 from had an internet sales guy (mature guy with some computer savy and a farm background). The world is changing quickly....just staying on top of your inventory with pics and details is a big job for a multi-store, volume dealer....IMO.

The bigger operators around here (many with 2000+ acres to run) do allot of their shopping via the telephone / internet according to the dealers I talk with.

OH....and I'm not about to compare you with Egon or with any other dinosaurs.....lest somebody starts comparing me.

 

[Nitro-Fish]

Don't jump at the 1st one you see, be patient, good deals will come along! That price sounds a bit high for the hours, at least for my area. Like others have said the prices are regional, but if you're willing to travel remember it's warmer longer the farther south you travel.

 

[HeyNow]

My 4310 sat outside the first 5 years of her life. Still looks very good. She's inside now and seems happier. I have just over 200 hours on her now. As far as the hood is concerned, mine broke at the hinges when I tried to close it. It lifted just fine, but when I went to close it, she cracked the connectors under the hood. Same thing happened with my friends 4310. A new hood isn't cheap, so consider a replaced hood a good thing.

My front end loader gets a lot of work. The bucket isn't pretty, but it has many miles to go.

My point is that most of your concerns seem cosmetic related. Tractors are work horses. You can only hope that the previous owner changed the fluids and greased her up regularly.

Good luck...I've been thinking about a cab model...

 

[arrabil]

But some dealers don't...just not up to speed with web sales yet (that pretty much describes the place I bought the 4400). I've dealt with 2 southern PA dealers...neither were too enthused about web sales and such...

Roy, in defense of our dealer's lack of web sales.... they sell tractors at a serious markup and they never sit on the lot longer than two weeks. So I don't think they have any need to worry about web sales until business is no good. Other dealers probably think the same way. Web sales are after all much more work for generally less profit so why deal with it when business doesn't require it?

I should add that you stole your tractor from them and it is the first and last time I've ever heard of that from them. You must have used a jedi mind trick on Jim.

 

[RoyJackson]

Roy, in defense of our dealer's lack of web sales.... they sell tractors at a serious markup and they never sit on the lot longer than two weeks. So I don't think they have any need to worry about web sales until business is no good. Other dealers probably think the same way. Web sales are after all much more work for generally less profit so why deal with it when business doesn't require it?

I should add that you stole your tractor from them and it is the first and last time I've ever heard of that from them. You must have used a jedi mind trick on Jim.

Hiya, Arrabil! I agree with everything you wrote...web sales just aren't a big part of their business.

Actually, Jim called me on the 4400. And I didn't even dicker...the price was so good (as well as the trade in for the 790). Two other guys looked at it (according to Jim). I bought it after running around the lot a bit...
The only thing I can think of (concerning the price) is they thought it might be a hard sell. Too big for most residential owners, too small for the farmers...so they wanted a quick turnaround on it. That, and it being a reverser rather then a hydro.

So, I wonder how mlg is doing...no more posts for a few days...

 

[mlg]

Well here's an update since you asked.

I've pretty much given up on shipping it myself as foggy1111 pointed out that would have required paying sales tax. I was already pretty much looking at a sight unseen sale anyways, and with the tax savings, paying for it to be shipped is pretty much cheaper in all situations.

I appreciate all of the reports that 1000 hours is not too much for me but I just couldn't get completely comfortable with the idea when for the same price (when including shipping) I could get a 500 hour machine.

My only questions now are how much of a fuel consumption difference is there between the 4310 and 4410. I don't need the extra hp but if I can get it for the same price as a 4310 I'd take it. I looked at the 3032E/3038E about a month ago and decided that I'd rather have a used 4310 for less money. The only difference between them is a turbo as I understand it. Is this similar with the 4310/4410?

Foggy1111 and Zebrafive brought up warranties on used machines which I had never heard of before. I tried to do a search on it but couldn't find anything. Are they common? How difficult would it be to get a dealership half-way across the country to honor one?

Thanks you guys are great.

 

[JD755]

I looked at the 3032E/3038E about a month ago and decided that I'd rather have a used 4310 for less money. The only difference between them is a turbo as I understand it. Is this similar with the 4310/4410?

None of the 4x10 tractors have turbos. Ignore all the errors in the dimension section below.

 

[mlg]

I actually have that same brochure from back when they were made. The displacement is the same for the 4310/4410 so where do they get the extra 3 hp? Just engine programming? I would think that would mean they would be pretty close on fuel consumption although I could be completely wrong, not that for my use a slight difference in consumption matters at all.

 

[JD755]

That's another error in the brochure. The 4410 has a larger engine. This is from the tech manual. The earlier 4x00 brochure also has the correct info.