Dog vs. cat vs. cops

   / Dog vs. cat vs. cops #71  
Just a simple observation just came to mind that may well have played into the courts decision here is neither this lady with the cat or the neighbor are trained licensed veterinarians least as far as I ascertained.

The statement the "cat was already dead when she shot the dog" or words to that effect would surely be under scrutiny as to their expertise in the matter of telling the life status of an animal that has been attacked by another animal.

The lady with the cat had every right to shoot the dog the way I see it.
 
   / Dog vs. cat vs. cops #72  
Dave,

I am taking something out of context I realize but remember this about law enforcement they are only minutes away when seconds count.

And on the second part there guns dont kill people stupid people do.

Yep, It's a fact that when trouble finds you, you are pretty much on your own.

Yes, stupid people kill, so, if the cat owner ended up injuring or killing a bystander or shot herself in the foot, would she be stupid? I suppose many would say she shouldn't have been using a gun in that situation or she lacked gun skills.

For the record, I do own two guns. I certainly don't think I am very proficient in using them nor do I have a great desire to spend the time and money to become proficient. It's just not high on my list of priorities. If I lived somewhere with more threats, I would reorder my priorities no doubt.

If I did take the time to become more proficient, I would develop the point and shoot skill Roy mentioned. Strong bi-focals take all the fun out of open sights and pool tables. :laughing:

Dave.
 
   / Dog vs. cat vs. cops #73  
I don't foam at the mouth. I'm a very logical man. No violence follows the "gun culture" (is there actually a "gun" culture?). Violence follows folks who find it easier to commit crimes against others rather then earn a living.

Yep, Roy, I think you've answered logically, but you'll never convince an anti-gun enthusiast such as Dave, so there's no point in continuing to respond to him, if he's just going to start the name calling.
 
   / Dog vs. cat vs. cops #74  
Yep, Roy, I think you've answered logically, but you'll never convince an anti-gun enthusiast such as Dave, so there's no point in continuing to respond to him, if he's just going to start the name calling.

True...
 
   / Dog vs. cat vs. cops #75  
I happen to agree with you. The fact is it would seem apparent that the cat was already dead and the lady shot because she was pissed off...

"...seem apparent that the cat was already dead..."?

Why would you write that? Were you there?
 
   / Dog vs. cat vs. cops #76  
Dave,

I am taking something out of context I realize but remember this about law enforcement they are only minutes away when seconds count.

And on the second part there guns dont kill people stupid people do.

Aw come on now? Everyone knows stringent gun control laws legislates away stupidity.
 
   / Dog vs. cat vs. cops #77  
"...seem apparent that the cat was already dead..."?

Why would you write that? Were you there?

No, but I read the story. I may not be the smartest man alive, but I do have some common sense (given the time frame that the cat apparently was in the dogs jaws).

Car Doc, the only reason why I would disagree with you is the due to the fact that Lansing has a population in excess of 100,000 people. Chances are (although I don't know for a fact) that Sycamore street would be a populated residential area. One thing letting off a couple of rounds out in the country, another story letting one off in town limits, particularly over a cat.
 
   / Dog vs. cat vs. cops #78  
There is definitely a cultural element involved. Call it a gun culture or violence culture, whatever you prefer.

From: 8/07 Gun Ownership Vs. Murder Rates - Gun Owners Of America

For example, though Norway has far and away the highest firearm ownership per capita in Western Europe, it nevertheless has the lowest murder rate. Other nations with high firearms ownership and comparably low murder rates include Denmark, Greece, Switzerland, Germany and Austria. Holland has a 50 percent higher murder rate despite having the lowest rate of firearm ownership in Europe. And Luxembourg, despite its total handgun ban, has a murder rate that is nine times higher than countries such as Norway and Austria.


It isn't how many guns, it's how guns are viewed, or have cause to be viewed. There are studies that support the idea that exposing children to violence early and often results in more violence. Another is the correlation between abused youngsters becoming abusing adults. Nothing to do with guns per se, just human behavior as a result of conditioning.

There are competing statistics about the correlation between gun ownership and gun violence of course, but I don't think that is the point. In the end, they all amount to saying--fewer 3rd graders fall off the swing set when outdoor recess is limited. The wording is often tricky in these studies, so of course the statistics can be used to support just about any position.

I would like to just jump over that whole meaningless debate and focus on the real issue. We condition our children to view violence as comedy or commonplace. Kids, even when I was one, do a lot of play shooting. We are a militarized country; children get the message that armed conflict is brave, normal and to be expected.

Entertainment subjects often revolve around violence, the fear of violence, retribution for violence and so on. Many popular video games involve blasting our way through something or somebody.

It is not rational to expect children to completely compartmentalize what we show them we value for entertainment versus reality. It should be no surprise that we produce kids who grow up with the expectation of violence.

Violent crime stats are on the decline in many areas, but we are aware of more of it through the news media. The whole situation amounts to desensitizing us to violence, much of which involves guns because we own more guns per capita than any other country.

When I use the term 'gun culture' I am referring to the glorification of weapons and violence that we are immersed in. That is what needs to change IMO and it has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.
Dave.
 
   / Dog vs. cat vs. cops #79  
When I use the term 'gun culture' I am referring to the glorification of weapons and violence that we are immersed in. That is what needs to change IMO and it has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.
Dave.

Then blame the hypocritical idiots in Hollywood for the glorification of violence and the misuse of weapons (not just firearms)...that's a start.

Anyway, this is getting political (close to it, at least).
 
   / Dog vs. cat vs. cops #80  
First item- I was raised all through the 1950's with a lot of dogs because my parents raised Boxers to sell. So we had dogs of various ages. My wife and I had a dog until recently that had medical problems and we had to have her put down. Therefore I am hoping to show that I am not anti dog. Most dog problems are really "dog owner" problems.
For example- a dog that often runs loose around here even though our county has a leash law was inside a neighbors garage and turned the trash can over and what a mess. The neighbor called the dog owner and the owner seemed upset that my neighbor even called. The dog owner then said that my neighbor should keep her garge door closed.
I would have closed the door and that dog would either have not left alive or would be at the dog pound!

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