_RaT_
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I would get the government out of picking and choosing behavior altogether. Trash the tax code and start over.
Global Warming?
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I would get the government out of picking and choosing behavior altogether. Trash the tax code and start over.
houstonscott
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You know Rob you might just be that guy playing poker you are talking about. You make all kinds of claims about people you don't know, just because they have not chosen to tell about their systems or support commercial solar and wind operations doesn't mean they don't have a system way more powerful and sophisticated than yours. I don't think one person has argued that a PV panel doesn't work, it's an old technology from the 1950's. What is obvious is that it's very expensive X14 for wind and X25 solar, so commercial operations are not even close to being viable. They are good for remote areas where commercial power can't be used and for the preppers they give freedom and control if your power if power is cut off, what they are not is remotely ready for is public use, no one is going to pay it or can afford it and there are not enough rich to take from to get what you want.
HS
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Rob I am all for renewable energy. I just wanted to say that wind industry still have some time to go in terms of design and reliability. My friend says that there is also the typical politicking when users have an issue but the manufacturer denies that there is a problem. So they step in and sell a retrofit to fix it.
Another important aspect is that the more distributed the power system is the more reliable it becomes.
We live in 100% electric house. I want to install PV but I think I would need about 20kW system. I understand the issues and have ability to install it by myself but have no clue what and where to buy stuff. I saw chinese PV panels sold by a crate at 70c/W but can't find data about reliability etc.
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Now I'm not the public?
I want to see the figures for you statements.
If you know more than me about PV than bring it forth, let's see a picture of your panels and system, whose inverter are you using? whose modules? Off grid? Intertie?
It's old technology? Thin film modules, polycrystalline, monocrystalline?
Transistors were developed in 1949 (Bell Labs ,my old company), we've been using silicon transistors for decades. Old technology? What do you think makes your TV work and the microprocessor in the modern car?
Where do you get this stuff?
Rob
Ladia,
You won't get an argument from me on wind farms, I hear you, a lot of work needs to be done. I was reading one of my trade mags awhile back and they had some interesting new wind designs, but that takes time to market.
I'll PM you on PV specifics and you can ask me anything you want.
I don't use Chinese panels, not that they are bad, but I can get US panels and support US manufacturers for not much more. Now is a good time to buy, modules are really cheap. (If HS hasn't bought them all up by now!)
Rob
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Killing Birds! RD hits at least 1 a year and drives less than I do. I have not hit a bird in 20 or 30 years. Would someone stretch the "Truth"
How long has it been since some hit a "Bald Eagle"?????
Wind Farms are exempt from fines - Oil Co. can be fined up to $28,000 per bird that gets covered with oil.
Surface mining - Many years ago a law was passed that once an area was mined out it had to be returned to its original condition.
Older coal plants did have many problems with pollutants.
Almost all of them have been fitted with scrubbers or shut down.
Tucson G&E has a coal fired PP almost down town, no pollution, acid rain or other problems.
Laughlin Nevada has a coal fired plant and the coal is delivered by pipe line. All their cooling water goes into a big pond where it is cooled & reused. I toured that plant about 12/15 years ago. No pollution problems with the plant.
Some coal plants are so close to the mine that coal is delivered by a conveyer belt.
My driving & waste - From my place its 25 miles just to the city limits. For groceries add 5 miles and most everything add another 10 to 20 miles. Almost every trip is multi purpose. And often a shared trip picking up things for other folks.
Where I live that " Little Subie" could not even get to town during the rainy season. We just spent the last 4 days working on the main road in and out. For a few years it will be passable most of the time, for most cars. From my house to that road is still limited.
Love it - Rants about mercury poisoning and bragging about using CFL bulbs.
Recycling - I can only talk about what we did from about 1940 on. Before that I was not on this earth. The "Big House" in town bought in 1943 or 4 was made of Adobe. When it was enlarged adobe's were made right in the yard. Our little house was 2 houses moved in and joined.
In that area there were many old building that had been abandoned, as much as possible that was where our building materials came from.
Even in town we had out buildings most of those were moved from somewhere else.
On our mining claims (Nothing was ever mined) the house was moved from town. Out buildings were made from used RR ties. Used metal roofing.
Almost everything I build here is made from used or salvaged material.
Maybe that is Real Recycling. What ya think?????
Boy oh Boy good old rsewill, still at it. The clean & green authority.
Had a Trucking business for 20 years. His words " I worked with junk equipment " First it was junk and that's what he called it when he sold it. Then all at once he called it "Used". We know that old "Junk" was clean & green.
This is what he said "My blind wife drives 75 miles to work." When called on that he made up another lie. He has been caught in so many lies that I doubt any one believes him anymore.
Glad that so many of us have helped RD pay for his energy farm and he is able to make $$$$ off of it.
How long has it been since some hit a "Bald Eagle"?????
Wind Farms are exempt from fines - Oil Co. can be fined up to $28,000 per bird that gets covered with oil.
Surface mining - Many years ago a law was passed that once an area was mined out it had to be returned to its original condition.
Older coal plants did have many problems with pollutants.
Almost all of them have been fitted with scrubbers or shut down.
Tucson G&E has a coal fired PP almost down town, no pollution, acid rain or other problems.
Laughlin Nevada has a coal fired plant and the coal is delivered by pipe line. All their cooling water goes into a big pond where it is cooled & reused. I toured that plant about 12/15 years ago. No pollution problems with the plant.
Some coal plants are so close to the mine that coal is delivered by a conveyer belt.
My driving & waste - From my place its 25 miles just to the city limits. For groceries add 5 miles and most everything add another 10 to 20 miles. Almost every trip is multi purpose. And often a shared trip picking up things for other folks.
Where I live that " Little Subie" could not even get to town during the rainy season. We just spent the last 4 days working on the main road in and out. For a few years it will be passable most of the time, for most cars. From my house to that road is still limited.
Love it - Rants about mercury poisoning and bragging about using CFL bulbs.
Recycling - I can only talk about what we did from about 1940 on. Before that I was not on this earth. The "Big House" in town bought in 1943 or 4 was made of Adobe. When it was enlarged adobe's were made right in the yard. Our little house was 2 houses moved in and joined.
In that area there were many old building that had been abandoned, as much as possible that was where our building materials came from.
Even in town we had out buildings most of those were moved from somewhere else.
On our mining claims (Nothing was ever mined) the house was moved from town. Out buildings were made from used RR ties. Used metal roofing.
Almost everything I build here is made from used or salvaged material.
Maybe that is Real Recycling. What ya think?????
Boy oh Boy good old rsewill, still at it. The clean & green authority.
Had a Trucking business for 20 years. His words " I worked with junk equipment " First it was junk and that's what he called it when he sold it. Then all at once he called it "Used". We know that old "Junk" was clean & green.
This is what he said "My blind wife drives 75 miles to work." When called on that he made up another lie. He has been caught in so many lies that I doubt any one believes him anymore. Glad that so many of us have helped RD pay for his energy farm and he is able to make $$$$ off of it.
_RaT_
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Nonsense. Rick said snob, you said "I think" but there is more to it.
Rick Santorum takes heat for ‘snob’ comment against President Obama - The Washington Post
Go ahead Larry waste your time, you do it all the time here. :laughing:
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Nah, most people wouldn't follow the link.
Like:
Which uses as it's only "published" source an article at Biology Cabinet Life Sciences for all.
Not exactly the status of linking to a major scientific journal.
In this day and age you can almost always find a link to backup your argument, even if your saying the earth is flat.
Egon
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That's like a guy playing poker with you who's showing you his hand while he's shouting he has a better hand than you even though he has no idea what you're holding!
But what's them cards up his sleeve you cain't see??:thumbsup:
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