How did Ford get their numbers for best in class towing? This is how. Kinda shady.

[RollingsFarms]

Let the Games Begin: Ford and Ram Do Battle Over Best-in-Class Claims - PickupTrucks.com News

 

[deerefan]

Let the Games Begin: Ford and Ram Do Battle Over Best-in-Class Claims - PickupTrucks.com News

Interesting. In a way, it really doesn't matter as most people buying these trucks have no business and never will tow that much weight. They just like to be able to say they tow more than the next guy. For the ones that need it, let the battle begin.

 

[roadhunter]

Pretty funny bragging that a 450 can out tow a 350. Pretty sure they all do this stuff to some degree but looks like Ford got caught this time. Glad to see the new to rating will be the same among all brands moving forward. Should clear up a lot of this confusion. But I have no doubt they will still figure out a way to legally mislead us once they get their lawyers involved.

 

[RollingsFarms]

What I don't understand is how is it "legal" to claim those ratings when they were achieved by a truck that you can't buy(remove the seats, no spare tire, no radio, etc)?

 

[fordmantpw]

What I don't understand is how is it "legal" to claim those ratings when they were achieved by a truck that you can't buy(remove the seats, no spare tire, no radio, etc)?

You CAN buy the truck Ford is quoting. I'm not sure where you see that the seats would be removed.

To clear a few things up, Ford doesn't calculate it by removing seats. The only take out things that can be deleted from a vehicle order. You can't delete seats, but you can delete a center console and radio, as well as a jack and spare tire. So, if a person truly wants maximum payload for whatever reason, they can remove those things from the dealer order.

Ford shaved 154 pounds from the weight of the F-450, he said, by removing items that have the possibility of being deleted from a vehicle order. Among the items removed were the spare tire, tire jack, radio and center console.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140728/RETAIL03/307289955/ford-ram-quarrel-over-heavy-duty-pickup-towing-title

Personally, I think it's ridiculous to fight over a few lbs here and there. Ford would have been best served to say 'look, our F350 tows a helluva lot of wait. If that isn't enough, step up to our F450 to tow more than any other factory pickup truck available on the market!' Then they could have avoided the pi$$ing contest.

 

[schmism]

I thought the 450 ran 19.5" tires putting it in the "commercial" medium truck category.

 

[roadhunter]

Interesting response so far. I believe if this was about a different manufacturer we would be seeing more responses, like what we do in the other threads.

 

[fordmantpw]

I thought the 450 ran 19.5" tires putting it in the "commercial" medium truck category.

The '15 F450 does run 19.5" wheels, but wheel size really has nothing to do with what category the truck is in. It just changes the capability of the truck.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Just because GM and Dodge decided not to make a 450/4500 series truck with a bed should not penalize Ford.

Chris

 

[fordmantpw]

Interesting response so far. I believe if this was about a different manufacturer we would be seeing more responses, like what we do in the other threads.

Probably so. Most people realize this is a non-issue and is just a pi$$ing match between Ram and Ford. Much ado about nothing.

 

[Ken45101]

^^^ What he said.

Interesting. In a way, it really doesn't matter as most people buying these trucks have no business and never will tow that much weight.

IDK about that. When we bought our horse camper, the trailer salesman assured me that our F250 could pull it just fine. He was right, it pulled it okay but I could feel the rear end give on very gentle curves. I had it weighed, and we were 300# over the rated rear axle weight, without water or a horse in the camper!

So we upgraded to a C3500 (one ton dually) which handles it well.

There are always people who will overload whatever ratings they have.

 

[jejeosborne]

Here is a 350 series real world test that was just published. Nothing has changed with the spec wars. Been going on forever and will continue til the end. Happens in every segment and every industry. Cell phone industry is the most cutthroat.


2015 Ford F-350 vs Chevy 3500 vs Ram 3500 Heavy D…: http://youtu.be/CCygT6mGcT8

 

[deerefan]

^^^ What he said.




IDK about that. When we bought our horse camper, the trailer salesman assured me that our F250 could pull it just fine. He was right, it pulled it okay but I could feel the rear end give on very gentle curves. I had it weighed, and we were 300# over the rated rear axle weight, without water or a horse in the camper!

So we upgraded to a C3500 (one ton dually) which handles it well.

There are always people who will overload whatever ratings they have.

I fully understand your point, I would rather have a little too much than not enough. Every truck I buy has the towing package, though now that I no longer farm as heavy, i only tow 4-5 times a year, maybe 6k lbs max. I like the additional oil coolers also, I feel they provide longevity to the equipment. I was mainly referring to the folks that use them to run around in, we have all seen them- more of a status symbol than a tow vehicle.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Here is a 350 series real world test that was just published. Nothing has changed with the spec wars. Been going on forever and will continue til the end. Happens in every segment and every industry. Cell phone industry is the most cutthroat.

2015 Ford F-350 vs Chevy 3500 vs Ram 3500 Heavy D…: http://youtu.be/CCygT6mGcT8

No surprise there.

Chris

 

[fordmantpw]

No surprise there.

Chris

You're just saying that because you are a Ford fan!

 

[Diamondpilot]

You're just saying that because you are a Ford fan!

Yea. Most HP, most TQ, great transmission, ect had nothing to do with it.


Lol


Chris

 

[roadhunter]

SSDD.

 

[fordmantpw]

SSDD.

Do we need to call 911 so that they can remove the person who is holding a gun to your head forcing you to read this thread?

 

[dodge man]

Its pretty funny in the comments below the video people noticed the Ford is towing a different trailer. That's the first thing I noticed at the end of the video. Some people were saying its lighter. Its kind of hard to see in the video but if you go back and look the Ford does have a different trailer behind it. Does it make a difference? Who knows but its not a very good test, more of a rough seat of the pants opinion than scientific results.

 

[fordmantpw]

Its pretty funny in the comments below the video people noticed the Ford is towing a different trailer. That's the first thing I noticed at the end of the video. Some people were saying its lighter. Its kind of hard to see in the video but if you go back and look the Ford does have a different trailer behind it. Does it make a difference? Who knows but its not a very good test, more of a rough seat of the pants opinion than scientific results.

I saw that as well, but they did note the weight was the same. I could see a difference if the aerodynamics were different. It's amazing what a bit more slope will do to make towing a fifth wheel easier, especially at speeds approaching 70 MPH. I can't wait to see the pickuptrucks.com test coming out in a few weeks. There tests are usually very comprehensive, and have a lot of 'real-world' aspects to them.