Diamondpilot
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Co-worker with 6.4 Ford Power Stroke problems.
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What about the problems with the radiators cracking? Is that Navistar's fault too?
What about the problems with the oil coolers and EGR valves on the 6.0? Is that Navistar's fault too?
Surely somewhere in there you can muster up and say that somewhere along in there it's FORD's fault. Ford put the engine in their truck, ready or not, and therefore it's FORD's fault.
What about the problems with the oil coolers and EGR valves on the 6.0? Is that Navistar's fault too?
Surely somewhere in there you can muster up and say that somewhere along in there it's FORD's fault. Ford put the engine in their truck, ready or not, and therefore it's FORD's fault.
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Is there any possibility of contacting the state attorney general's office? Or does the state have a stand alone consumer protection agency? While there may or may not be legal warranty issues involved due to mileage, sometimes a letter or inquiry into the situation from an agency like this will motivate the dealer or warranty company to go a little above & beyond.
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dodge man
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I was hoping this thread wouldn't degrade into the usual Ford debate.
A little off topic but the 6.7 Ford diesel? Worked with a couple of people this last summer and they liked them. They are contractors that build bridges and put a lot of miles on in a year. They always carry a lot of weight in the bed also. One guys truck was dark blue, crew cab, one ton, single rear wheel, leather, very nice ride.
I'm sorry if anyone took it as an insult. It just really grinds on me how DP can harp on everything done bad by GM and Dodge both while refusing that Ford has laid a bunch of turds in their day as well. Anybody who has even a little bit of experience knows that the 6.4 is, has, and always will be a problem child. My mechanic summed it up for me when I bought my 6.0. He told me that the 6.0 has it's problems but we could work around them and fix it. He told me to stay away from the 6.4 at all costs. All 6.4's are ticking timebombs, they just come with different detonators from the factory on how many miles until they let go. And last time I checked Navistar didn't make all the emissions junk, Ford did.
Every single person that I know that owns a 6.4, without exception, has had major problems with the engine/truck/emissions. Most have dumped their 6.4's. The ones that have not wish they would've long ago. Our own member here (Brian55) ended up dumping his as well due to the same problems most other users have.
deerefan
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They both share the blame. I owned two 6.0 diesels and had no problems with either one. I traded both before 100k miles. Even though I had no problems, plenty of farmers in my area did. The local diesel mechanic was swamped with 6.0 and 6.4 diesels needing repairs. Now the EB drilling of intercoolers. It seems Ford puts the motors in the trucks then addressed (somewhat) the issues. The other 2 (GM and dodge) are not much better. The 6.7 diesel is better, hopefully no major issues as I like the 3/4 ton Fords the best and will look strongly at one should the need for one arise again.
vulcancowboy
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What is the fuel mileage with the 6.7? I really like diesels (I have an '03 Duramax, and had a Dodge Cummins before that), but it sounds like the newer diesels don't get the mileage that the older ones got.
fordmantpw
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Do I count? I know you don't know me, but I own a 6.4 have had zero problem with the engine truck. I had the dreaded radiator leak, but that was fixed under warranty, and I would not call that major.
Overall, that engine has been much less trouble-prone than the 6.0. It's big issues are the emissions on the truck (and the leaky radiator) and horrible fuel economy. I stayed away from the 6.0 when I bought my truck due to the number of issues with that engine.
The 6.7L has been extremely reliable, and puts out gobs of HP and torque.
fordmantpw
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The 6.7L is on par, or just above the 6.0. My dad had an '11 (sold it due to selling his fifth wheel) and he would routinely get 3 MPG loaded (identical shape/weight fifth wheels) and 4-5 MPG empty better than my '08. He was normally 1-2 MPG better than his '03 6.0.
Fordman1981
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It's hard to say your truck is reliable with last time I seen you mention with under 60,000 miles on it. We've put near that many miles on trucks in a year. The radiator leak is a big issue because it is so very common and ford didn't do a recall on it. Most leak after the 36'000 mile warranty and ford does not stand behind them. I know of personally more than 2 dozen 6.4s with the bad radiator. Ford's refusal to stand behind their products is what lost me as a customer.
jejeosborne
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Thanks for your helpful posts. Sorry someone laid a turd in your wheaties.
TomSeller
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If one reads his posts on a regular basis, you will see he compliments other brands. I even believe he said his next truck could be a Nissan Titan diesel. In regards to the 6.4, the blame ultimately rests on Ford since they entered into a contract with Navistar. Having built the bulletproof 7.3 and the ok 6.0, I can see how there was trust placed in Navistar that should not have been, but Navistar can not be held unaccountable for their bad design.
I own a Ford F-350 6.0 PSD and I daily drive a 2012 F-150 Ecoboost 4x4. My previous truck was a '03 Chevy 4x4. My family own and runs about 12 diesel trucks of various nature and brands.
I am not anti-Ford. I am not anti-GM or anti-dodge. I think that if you're going to tell the truth you should tell the whole truth.
I am not anti-Ford. I am not anti-GM or anti-dodge. I think that if you're going to tell the truth you should tell the whole truth.
fordmantpw
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How many miles does it have to have before you can say your vehicle is reliable? And a radiator leak is bad, yes, but it isn't the same as a blown motor. Mine failed at 26k miles.
How many miles are on your truck? A major radiator failure at 26k in my mind is not reliable.
Also, when considering the source, I do not consider anyone who has a Brand centered Avatar or Username to be categorized as "unbiased". Someone who goes by Dodgeman or Fordman in their moniker usually pulls pretty hard for their favorite brand.
Also, when considering the source, I do not consider anyone who has a Brand centered Avatar or Username to be categorized as "unbiased". Someone who goes by Dodgeman or Fordman in their moniker usually pulls pretty hard for their favorite brand.
fordmantpw
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Mine has 56k. The engine has been absolutely reliable. The cooling system had an issue that was resolved with one trip to the dealer. I realize that vehicles have occasional issues, and nothing mechanical is perfect. For me, with one trip to the dealer in the 4 years and 30k+ miles I have put on the truck, that's reliable IMO.
If you are one of those that expects absolutely zero trips to the dealer and expects it to be perfect, then no, my truck has not been reliable. If you are like me and realize that, sometimes, mechanical things break, then my truck has been reliable. Other than oil changes, I have been without my truck for about 4 hours in 4 years. That means I have had my truck available for 99.99% of the time. What is not reliable about that?
A 4 hour fix that didn't leave me stranded is not a major failure in my mind. Is it a major component of the truck? Yes. Was I able to drive it just fine until I could get it in for service? Yes. Heck, I even got a loaner to run my errands when it was in the shop, so it's not like I was really out of a vehicle that long.
Maybe I'm just more open minded and flexible. Maybe you would feel the same way I do if it was your truck. I don't know.
Since everybody wants to talk about reliable truck where are all the 1995-2001 Toyota Tacomas. That's right in the scrap yard with rotted frames. The trucks were just breaking in half. But everybody including Toyota today states it is reliable. I know Toyota has paid a lot of owners off and bought the trucks back and Toyota scrapped the trucks. I used to see several loads a day of crushed Tacomas drive by. All manufacturers have problems created by outside vendors going the cheap route.
fordmantpw
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FTFY.
The vendors only go the cheap route because they are given price points by the manufacturer. The manufacturer is ultimately responsible, as long as the vendor is meeting the specs given to them by the manufacturer.
MikePA
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Apparently the answer is "No, there aren't stats." Just anecdotal evidence provided by posters who share their experience, e.g.;
"Everyone I know had problems."
"My mechanic says...."
and the rage inducing
"Everyone I know had no problems."
which some take offense at, and believe they have to point out someone else's supposed bias in favor of a brand. Apparently they believe if they don't point it out, all the other TBNers are so dull witted they are unable to perceive bias on an Internet discussion forum and genetically unable to recognize such posts for what they are, personal experience.
fordmantpw
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Well said MikePA!
The typical key words: "always", "never", "everyone", "no-one", "always" are words that should tip everyone off that the post is just standard BS that should be ignored.
The typical key words: "always", "never", "everyone", "no-one", "always" are words that should tip everyone off that the post is just standard BS that should be ignored.
